Profit sharing back at AA

SpiceWeasel said:
I hope so; if they do they clearly will not have noticed I haven't updated the app since last August.

If you like it, great... But read your own posts about "big regional" (unless I'm mistaken, then I apologize for putting words in your mouth). Not the kind of place I want to call a career. Delta and United have demonstrated a willingness to be the best product out there, so that's where my focus is.
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You're limiting your pool of airlines based off of someone's disgruntled comments on here? Remember a post a little while back about how angry delta pilots are?
 
SpiceWeasel said:
I hope so; if they do they clearly will not have noticed I haven't updated the app since last August.

If you like it, great... But read your own posts about "big regional" (unless I'm mistaken, then I apologize for putting words in your mouth). Not the kind of place I want to call a career. Delta and United have demonstrated a willingness to be the best product out there, so that's where my focus is.
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Aren't you at jetBlue? The airline that single handedly was responsible for the 'tarmac rules' limitations from stranding passengers for hours on board? The airline that literally shut down for DAYS in order to reboot because it couldn't handle IROPS or wasn't prepared for 117?

Maybe you shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.

On a side note, I couldn't care less if AA has the "best" product, I want it to be the most consistently profitable and sustainable carrier. All the carriers that offered the "best" product have gone out of business. The vast majority of pax want value.
 
Man, this thread has become a nerd pilot version of "The Westside Story"
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wheelsup said:
Aren't you at jetBlue? The airline that single handedly was responsible for the 'tarmac rules' limitations from stranding passengers for hours on board? The airline that literally shut down for DAYS in order to reboot because it couldn't handle IROPS or wasn't prepared for 117?

Maybe you shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.

On a side note, I couldn't care less if AA has the "best" product, I want it to be the most consistently profitable and sustainable carrier. All the carriers that offered the "best" product have gone out of business. The vast majority of pax want value.
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American isn't a glass house ;)

You guys sure are sensitive about your company.

Look, I don't want to work there, I don't have my app in. I had a bad experience with recruiters and the barometer about the company isn't exactly something to be excited about. Just because I don't want to work there doesn't mean your decision is wrong.

Let it go. ;)
 
SpiceWeasel said:
American isn't a glass house ;)

You guys sure are sensitive about your company.

Look, I don't want to work there, I don't have my app in. I had a bad experience with recruiters and the barometer about the company isn't exactly something to be excited about. Just because I don't want to work there doesn't mean your decision is wrong.

Let it go. ;)
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If you didn't want to work at AA why did you even apply? I did, it was a pretty involved app for someone who didn't want to work there.

A quick story. Several years ago I was wanting to apply to Airways. This was prior to announcing the merger with AA. A bunch of buddies talked me completely out of it, saying stuff like "US Airways will always be hiring/interviewing, focus your efforts elsewhere if you can't get on at another carrier like UAL, DAL, jetBlue, etc.". (This was in the time that their second year pay on the Airbus was $56/hr with crappy contract). One guy even lived in Dallas.

I listened and didn't apply. Fast forward a few months and the merger was announced. Those guys who did apply were called right at the beginning of a huge hiring wave. I, fortunately, did apply eventually but I was called a year later. ~300 guys were hired prior to me, which was huge, about 10% of the work force, and has had a huge impact on my QOL. Now, very few are even getting called to interview off the street. Those guys who didn't apply, who never got on with DAL and UAL, are still at the commuter or have moved on to some lower end carrier like Allegiant.

Keep in mind, during the 80's Delta was NOT the place to go. Guys turned them down or never applied because United, American, USAir, (yes!, USAir) etc. were the fast growing, well run companies during that time. USAir was putting guys in the F/O seat, Delta was putting guys into a stagnant FE position. Yet look how the tide has turned.

I would never let a bad experience with a recruiter sway me away from a career destination, personally. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. On a side note, on another site a guy had offers from AA and DAL and chose AA because of how he was treated during the interview process.
 
wheelsup said:
If you didn't want to work at AA why did you even apply? I did, it was a pretty involved app for someone who didn't want to work there.

A quick story. Several years ago I was wanting to apply to Airways. This was prior to announcing the merger with AA. A bunch of buddies talked me completely out of it, saying stuff like "US Airways will always be hiring/interviewing, focus your efforts elsewhere if you can't get on at another carrier like UAL, DAL, jetBlue, etc.". (This was in the time that their second year pay on the Airbus was $56/hr with crappy contract). One guy even lived in Dallas.

I listened and didn't apply. Fast forward a few months and the merger was announced. Those guys who did apply were called right at the beginning of a huge hiring wave. I, fortunately, did apply eventually but I was called a year later. ~300 guys were hired prior to me, which was huge, about 10% of the work force, and has had a huge impact on my QOL. Now, very few are even getting called to interview off the street. Those guys who didn't apply, who never got on with DAL and UAL, are still at the commuter or have moved on to some lower end carrier like Allegiant.

Keep in mind, during the 80's Delta was NOT the place to go. Guys turned them down or never applied because United, American, USAir, (yes!, USAir) etc. were the fast growing, well run companies during that time. USAir was putting guys in the F/O seat, Delta was putting guys into a stagnant FE position. Yet look how the tide has turned.

I would never let a bad experience with a recruiter sway me away from a career destination, personally. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. On a side note, on another site a guy had offers from AA and DAL and chose AA because of how he was treated during the interview process.
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Ah yes. The Airline Cycle of quality. I do believe there was a time when Southwest, UPS, and Fedex was considered trash in comparison to the legacies. It is amazing how the tables turned in such a short amount of time. The "trash" got top tier contracts when everyone else was getting slaughtered in Chapter 11. This is a weird industry.
 
SpiceWeasel said:
You're absolutely right. Don't base not going to AA on the forums, base it on the piss poor job their recruiters did at OBAP last year. Why on earth are they giving situational based interview questions at a job fair?
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Must have used the same group from OBAP 2014.
 
Maurus said:
Ah yes. The Airline Cycle of quality. I do believe there was a time when Southwest, UPS, and Fedex was considered trash in comparison to the legacies. It is amazing how the tables turned in such a short amount of time. The "trash" got to keep their status contracts when everyone else was getting slaughtered in Chapter 11. This is a weird industry.
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Fixed it for you. Important point. Their contracts were "top tier" because they were the same they were before everyone else got 11'ed. They didn't suddenly make gains, they got pretty much the same crap they had. Cargo went on to start making big improvements. Southwest stayed Southwest but suddenly their numbers actually looked good.
 
Rocketman99 said:
Fixed it for you. Important point. Their contracts were "top tier" because they were the same they were before everyone else got 11'ed. They didn't suddenly make gains, they got pretty much the same crap they had. Cargo went on to start making big improvements. Southwest stayed Southwest but suddenly their numbers actually looked good.
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Pretty sure Southwest made gains while everyone else was getting slaughtered. Obviously their current contract still isn't up to snuff with what the legacies had before they went into BK (or even now). The point is that they ended up at the top and no one expected that to happen.
 
OK this thread has gone way off topic. Here is what I have heard on the line. The reason the company is paying employee profit sharing is to avoid running afoul of IRS rules regarding executive compensation. The company wants to pay big bonuses to key management employees and they face tax penalties if rank and file are excluded from such compensation.

I don't know the origin of the law or how it works or whatever; but that is the rumor. In order for key management to get the big bucks without a stinging tax bite there needs to be a total profit sharing program in effect for all employees. They get a bigger piece of the pie but there is some pie for all.

Don't shoot me that's just what I heard.
 
Rocketman99 said:
Fixed it for you. Important point. Their contracts were "top tier" because they were the same they were before everyone else got 11'ed. They didn't suddenly make gains, they got pretty much the same crap they had. Cargo went on to start making big improvements. Southwest stayed Southwest but suddenly their numbers actually looked good.
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Maurus said:
Ah yes. The Airline Cycle of quality. I do believe there was a time when Southwest, UPS, and Fedex was considered trash in comparison to the legacies. It is amazing how the tables turned in such a short amount of time. The "trash" got top tier contracts when everyone else was getting slaughtered in Chapter 11. This is a weird industry.
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Let me tell you a little thing called "9/11"...
 
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