Primary Checkride Failures haunting me after 2700 hours ...

[trickeriche]

Re: Primary Checkride Failures haunting me after 2700 hours

It's unfortunate, and counter-intuitive to think that I should not go get a Commercial ASES rating for fear that I am sitting on two failed checkrides and can not risk a third, even though the added experience of flying a seaplane would make me a more well rounded pilot. With 900+ TT, I don't think I can justify adding the sea rating till I am hired at a regional. It is ridiculous that this is the case.

 

[Inverted]

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When you get hired at a regional, you wont be able to afford food, so you for sure wont be able to do the sea rating...

 

[HJB]

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Now thats funny!

 

[anuragmital]

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I Had busted my CFI ride 2 times 3 years ago from then on i have 2500 hours a gold seal on my instructor license i have trained more than 40 students with a pass rate of 90% . I Never failed any other license I also got My CFII MEI..
I decided to take my ATP as luck would have it on my single engine ILS Approach The good Engine failed due to Mechanical fault but still got a pink ticket on it rest every thing when good so that leaves me with 3 busts and not a good candidate for Airlines when my student are flying for the airlines life sucks i guess its a very narrow minded approach

 

[cezzna]

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Nobody fails a SES add on. I couldn't honestly tell you if I ever busted a 141 stage check. Who remembers that ?!

I won't live in fear. If it costs me a career, so be it.

 

[at1024]

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I Had busted my CFI ride 2 times 3 years ago from then on i have 2500 hours a gold seal on my instructor license i have trained more than 40 students with a pass rate of 90% . I Never failed any other license I also got My CFII MEI..
I decided to take my ATP as luck would have it on my single engine ILS Approach The good Engine failed due to Mechanical fault but still got a pink ticket on it rest every thing when good so that leaves me with 3 busts and not a good candidate for Airlines when my student are flying for the airlines life sucks i guess its a very narrow minded approach

OMG you suck at life!! Okay just kidding...I wouldn't worry about it. I'm with the other guy, you can't live in fear. Who really cares how many checkrides you've failed...BFD. If you're still alive after instructing for a couple of years then that should speak for itself.

 

[Tworotor7]

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And the thread comes back from the past.... haha Well I started this thread and it is ashame the way they are doing things currently. On the plus side I got on with a different company and a totally different type of flying that pays wayyy more. So in the end I have to say so far it has worked out for me for the better. I wish all of you in the same position luck, there is better out there and different routes to go in this industry then just the regionals.

 

[C150J]

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And the thread comes back from the past.... haha Well I started this thread and it is ashame the way they are doing things currently. On the plus side I got on with a different company and a totally different type of flying that pays wayyy more. So in the end I have to say so far it has worked out for me for the better. I wish all of you in the same position luck, there is better out there and different routes to go in this industry then just the regionals.

Excellent. What type of flying?

 

[Homa Bird]

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And the thread comes back from the past.... haha Well I started this thread and it is ashame the way they are doing things currently. On the plus side I got on with a different company and a totally different type of flying that pays wayyy more. So in the end I have to say so far it has worked out for me for the better. I wish all of you in the same position luck, there is better out there and different routes to go in this industry then just the regionals.

:clap::beer: good to hear that!!


BTW for those of you who are here in the west coast try to see if you can have your check ride done at VGT with Eddie Lane, great guy. if you screw up, you screw up and you have given the examiner a reason to fail you,BUT he's a great examiner(He's fair not a jerk like most of them I have heard) and i say a great teacher. I learned a lot of cool little fact and tricks during the time of the check rides with him. very friendly funny guy, super super hyper but soon as the plane lifts off he is coool as a cat. try to have a beer with him after your check ride and listen to his stories.

 

[born2aviate]

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:clap::beer: good to hear that!!


BTW for those of you who are here in the west coast try to see if you can have your check ride done at VGT with Eddie Lane, great guy. if you screw up, you screw up and you have given the examiner a reason to fail you,BUT he's a great examiner(He's fair not a jerk like most of them I have heard) and i say a great teacher. I learned a lot of cool little fact and tricks during the time of the check rides with him. very friendly funny guy, super super hyper but soon as the plane lifts off he is coool as a cat. try to have a beer with him after your check ride and listen to his stories.

Also in VGT I took my CFI initial with a guy named Anthony Roldin. Good guy and not looking for an excuse to bust you. The instructors at the place i did my CFI said that the feds in VGT have a higher pass rate than the DPEs there.

 

[Ajax]

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Colgan also considers a stage check failure as part of a 141 training program equal to a checkride bust.

Retarded? I think so

Forgot to add:

Colgan also requires disclosure of any letter of discontinuance you have from any checkrides

Well, I failed one stage check on my IR at a 141 school. 2nd stage, going over approaches and holds, and the one instructor I never wanted to deal with grabbed my stage check. I could have passed the instrument oral with how much I studied, instead he failed me 3 questions in, and on GPS approaches. We didn't even have a plane that could fly GPS approaches.

 

[touch-n-go]

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:clap::beer: good to hear that!!


BTW for those of you who are here in the west coast try to see if you can have your check ride done at VGT with Eddie Lane, great guy. if you screw up, you screw up and you have given the examiner a reason to fail you,BUT he's a great examiner(He's fair not a jerk like most of them I have heard) and i say a great teacher. I learned a lot of cool little fact and tricks during the time of the check rides with him. very friendly funny guy, super super hyper but soon as the plane lifts off he is coool as a cat. try to have a beer with him after your check ride and listen to his stories.

:yeahthat:

Did my commercial retake ride with that guy at IGM. Really cool guy for sure. He even had time to demonstrate all kinds of cool tricks and easier ways to do maneuvers. Also agreed that I had been hosed on my previous commercial ride that I had been busted for a really stupid reason. Great teacher indeed.

 

[KSCessnaDriver]

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Nobody fails a SES add on.

Nope, I know a guy who did. He really wasn't happy about it, but IIRC, he agreed that it was a legitimate bust. Got retrained and took the ride in like .5 more time.

 

[germb747]

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My advice for people getting started flight training: Find a good instructor and train Part 61. There's way more flexibility for the instructor to tailor the training to your specific needs; not to mention there's far less jeopardy of "failed training events" (because you can't "fail" flights in Part 61 except for actual FAA checkrides). Focus on having fun learning to fly and doing your best and don't worry too much about failures. You can only prepare so much, and anyone can fail on any given day so it doesn't help to worry about it.

 

[chrisdahut1]

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My advice for people getting started flight training: Find a good instructor and train Part 61. There's way more flexibility for the instructor to tailor the training to your specific needs; not to mention there's far less jeopardy of "failed training events" (because you can't "fail" flights in Part 61 except for actual FAA checkrides). Focus on having fun learning to fly and doing your best and don't worry too much about failures. You can only prepare so much, and anyone can fail on any given day so it doesn't help to worry about it.

If I could do it again, I'd definitely go part 61. I despised 141 training as a CFI...the paperwork (especially at a certain flight school) was horrendous and the syllabus inflexible and highly unrealistic.

Having said that, there's actually LESS jeopardy as far as FAA records go. The student rarely takes checkrides; just end-of-course stage checks that technically waives the need for a checkride. Another benefit is that student training records are destroyed after 2 years, and the information is never sent to the FAA.

 

[BajtheJino]

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The majors hire a different pilot. Regionals hire pilots who typically do not have 121 experience, while the majors typically only hire those with 121 PIC or military time. Interestingly, one major will NOT interview pilots with more than 4000 hours 121 PIC time because the data shows that they are bad investments as well. (They have bad habits, etc. etc.) The sweet spot for them seems to be the 500 - 2000 121 PIC time.

For us, the sweet spot seems to be 800 - 1000 hours, with the majority of their time being flight instructor time. Of course, someone with 121 CRJ time is nice, but you really have to be careful with that demographic. (Why are they not employed somewhere else? Why aren't they applying to a major? etc.)

Thats funny. The people in my class are averaging around 2500-3000 hrs. At a regional.

 

[Homa Bird]

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Colgan requires that you disclose all training failures, and they are serious. Lots of people have been puked out of indoc and fired for failing to disclose. This also includes speeding tickets etc. they go through your background very thoroughly now. Don't lie to get in, you will get caught..and having that black mark is nearly the kiss of death for a pilot.

Be up front about your unsats, and be able to show a strong history of good checkride performance after the last fail...

so does that mean i have to kiss goodbye for having any chance making it? i have never failed a oral/check ride or anything else, never have been arrested or anything bad. BUT after nearly 5 years i recently got a speeding ticket( a little over 6 months ago) under my belt which i did go to traffic school for it.

 

[BeRich]

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so does that mean i have to kiss goodbye for having any chance making it? i have never failed a oral/check ride or anything else, never have been arrested or anything bad. BUT after nearly 5 years i recently got a speeding ticket( a little over 6 months ago) under my belt which i did go to traffic school for it.

I think you're screwed if you lie about it, not if you have it. I find it extremely hard to believe that one speeding ticket is going to cause you any major problems.