Pressurized Twin
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Faaaaaaaaaast! ...for a piston twin.
Honestly, the 400 series Cessnas are nice planes, but have you considered a KA 90? Burning Jet-A, but the TBO is typically longer and they're really excellent planes. A little slower than I'd like for a turbine, but you can't beat a King Air.
Que Boris with info on the Moo (which would also, IMO be a good option if you keep up with training and insurance doesn't kill you...and faaaaast) in 3...2...1...
If you're looking at P-Baron or 414/421, you've probably got the acquisition budget to buy an older KA or MU2.
Barons seem to be limited on baggage space. Try to shove 2 sets of golf clubs and 4 bags in 'em with 3 pax + 1 pilot and you'll soon be going "aroo?". Never flown an Aerostar, but they don't look like the biggest in the baggage area.
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All of this said, I can probably get you into an early Cj2 for a song right now. I'd be out of a job, but could live on the commission for a year or two if necessary. Nice plane for Pt 91 stuff.
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-mini
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
Having managed both a 414 and 2 421's...I love both airplanes.
The 421 were in mx alittle more often and burned more gas, but not for more speed.
The 421 is quieter due to the geared engines, and don't let those scare you. If treat them like they should be treated, they'll make it to TBO.
Our 414 could carry alittle more weight than the 421's and was just as fast.
One of our 421's was a 78 model that had straight legs (like the 414) and the other was an 80 model with trailing-link gear that was SWEET.
Cessna 400 series are easy to get parts for and are well known by most mx shops.
The P-Baron is a Mx HOG!, don't go near them!
The 421 were in mx alittle more often and burned more gas, but not for more speed.
The 421 is quieter due to the geared engines, and don't let those scare you. If treat them like they should be treated, they'll make it to TBO.
Our 414 could carry alittle more weight than the 421's and was just as fast.
One of our 421's was a 78 model that had straight legs (like the 414) and the other was an 80 model with trailing-link gear that was SWEET.
Cessna 400 series are easy to get parts for and are well known by most mx shops.
The P-Baron is a Mx HOG!, don't go near them!
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
What is your price range for this plane?
pilotb59
New Member
Well it sure is nice to get the info from users rather than brokers......The 340A with ram upgrades are also looking good to me and the wife. Big enough for us I think for a family of mostly 3 and perhaps at times 5. Speed appears good...Just need to check the range/payload type stuff. Our average distance will be in the 300-400 nm range, with a few longer trips down to Florida to visit the parents in the winter which from here is about 450nm to GSP then 500 TO FMY approx.
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
Our 421's had the wing locker fuel tank in the left wing, which gives you an extra 28 gals. I've flown the 421 non-stop from Gainesville, GA (KGVL) to Nassau, Bahamas.
We would typically fly ours in the mid-teens, which would give roughly these numbers:
*Based on STD Temp and Lean of Peak (just for you Mini)
10,000ft
32.5" MP and 1850 RPM Power setting
72% BHP
203 KTAS
- Increase TAS 5 kts for every 1000 lbs under 7500lbs.
250 lbs/hour or appox. 42 gals/hour
15,000ft
32.5" MP and 1850 RPM Power setting
72% BHP
211 KTAS
- Increase TAS 6 kts for every 1000lbs under 7500lbs.
250 lbs/hour or appox. 42 gals/hour
FL 200 has the same numbers, except for KTAS which would be roughly 220/225 KTAS.
I would flight plan the 421 for 205 KTAS and 50 gals/hour.
Standard 421 has 206 gals usable, which would provide a comfortable 3 hours and 1 hour + for reserve.
It's a great plane for flying IFR, it's very stable, it handles well and flies pretty well with ice on it.
We would typically fly ours in the mid-teens, which would give roughly these numbers:
*Based on STD Temp and Lean of Peak (just for you Mini)
10,000ft
32.5" MP and 1850 RPM Power setting
72% BHP
203 KTAS
- Increase TAS 5 kts for every 1000 lbs under 7500lbs.
250 lbs/hour or appox. 42 gals/hour
15,000ft
32.5" MP and 1850 RPM Power setting
72% BHP
211 KTAS
- Increase TAS 6 kts for every 1000lbs under 7500lbs.
250 lbs/hour or appox. 42 gals/hour
FL 200 has the same numbers, except for KTAS which would be roughly 220/225 KTAS.
I would flight plan the 421 for 205 KTAS and 50 gals/hour.
Standard 421 has 206 gals usable, which would provide a comfortable 3 hours and 1 hour + for reserve.
It's a great plane for flying IFR, it's very stable, it handles well and flies pretty well with ice on it.
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
Ha...back in the day, we always ran 50 rich of peak...book had both numbers, so I went with what you were saying.
Don't run LOP without proper monitoring equipment. The 421C I got to drive for a few dozen hours had just the "standard" instrumentation. He ran it ROP. He also taxi'd straight to the mx hangar every time he came back from a trip, fwiw.
-mini
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
That's what you get for running oversquare, Cap'n.
Yeah, but something about running a 421 at 19" at 16,000' just bugs me.
...and it's Commodore now. I upgraded.
-mini
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
SIUav8er
Narcosis
pilotb59
New Member
LOL If I could I would. I love the PC-12, and so does everyone else...Their prices aren't falling like piston twins are......
Well now I have alot more information to get me on track and have a better idea what to look for......
As far as price range, 200-275K. I tihnk this leaves out most but will keep looking.
Well now I have alot more information to get me on track and have a better idea what to look for......
As far as price range, 200-275K. I tihnk this leaves out most but will keep looking.
