Poor Sun Country
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BlueMoon
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Well I'm here to make money too. If you can't pay me the going rate for what I'm worth, than why should you be in business? If your business model is poor, it isn't the employees job to work for nothing to keep you in business, you can make money.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I find it faintly amusing that the great Capitalists around here suddenly start deploying words like "should" and "must" when it's strike time.
You get what you negotiate. Can't pay the pilots enough to keep them from striking? Tough titty, my corpulent, bemonocled, bowler-hatted, robber-baron friend. Survival of the fittest, etc etc.
You get what you negotiate. Can't pay the pilots enough to keep them from striking? Tough titty, my corpulent, bemonocled, bowler-hatted, robber-baron friend. Survival of the fittest, etc etc.
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
arkflyr
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I might have mentioned this before but back when I was with OAT we used to fly the whole crew around from over there at OAI a lot. We had Stan on board with one of his friends and he was explaining the business at OAI and got around to the pilots, oh boy was it ever entertaining listening to him go off about you all. This was around contract time but I can't remember exactly when.
We were just hoping that you guys would get as much as you could, and praying it would trickle our way a bit. It did, but it was more the result of most of us leaving for better gigs and them not finding anyone to replace us at the old pay scale.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Boris Badenov said:
You're missing a key component: you have to be allowed to strike first. The NMB doesn't allow labor to strike over demands that would bankrupt a company.
He was making a point. And that wasn't it.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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It's the only point that matters. The rest is just mental masturbation.
What a man does at home, alone, with his brain and the internet is none of your concern.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
I mean, that's kind of a problem isn't it?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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ppragman said:
Depends on your perspective. Do you think that one labor group should have the power to destroy an entire company?
I neither agree nor disagree with their logic. I can see arguments on both sides. Nevertheless, that is how they view it, so everyone should understand that and not expect different. Too many pilots think that they're guaranteed a strike at some point if there's not a deal reached, and that just isn't so.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
I do think a union should be able to have that power. I mean, if the union doesn't have the "nuclear option" then what kind of bargaining power do they actually have? As unpleasant as it is to think about, Mutually Assured Destruction works...
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Honestly, if it get's to the point where your realistic demands for fair, while still relatively low, compensation would bankrupt your company...well...writings on the wall. Doesn't sound like the kind of company that will be around the rest of your career.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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ppragman said:
It really doesn't, though, because economic reality of business gets in the way. All your threat does is ensure that you're putting the company out of business, which helps neither you nor management. It is irrational to destroy your own employer.
Koenigsberger_Katjase
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Why do you work there if they aren't paying the going rate? Maybe I'm losing something in translation.
So take it in the shorts to save a failing company? Because they can't properly manage their costs and have a poor business model? No thanks. Give me the match. Short term loss, long term gain most likely. Figure out how to run a successful company where the majority of people are happy, or shut it down.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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mshunter said:
That's not really how the NMB sees things. But you can always find another place of employment, of course.
wheelsup
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This sounds mean but at some point the folks there are going to have to come to the realization that Sun Country isn't a career destination. At best a (small) step above a commuter. The biggest pro there I would assume is a fast(er) upgrade, a free 737 type, and MSP base for those who want to drive to work who are waiting for DAL.
However, you can stamp your feet as loudly as you can and conditions won't improve but maybe marginally at best. It's just not that kind of place. If you want better pay and working conditions, vote with your feet and GTFO. The only thing I can think of why so many aren't running toward the exists is either the pros outweigh the cons or quite a few of them have skeletons in their closet that prevent their employment at the "name brand" carriers.
If turnover is high management will raise rates, like Virgin America and jetBlue have done, to keep guys on property.
However, you can stamp your feet as loudly as you can and conditions won't improve but maybe marginally at best. It's just not that kind of place. If you want better pay and working conditions, vote with your feet and GTFO. The only thing I can think of why so many aren't running toward the exists is either the pros outweigh the cons or quite a few of them have skeletons in their closet that prevent their employment at the "name brand" carriers.
If turnover is high management will raise rates, like Virgin America and jetBlue have done, to keep guys on property.
