PNCL rakes it in 4Q 2009 (+153% over 4Q 08')

kellwolf said:
XJT is at $69 for 5 year CA. Not sure if that reflects any pay cuts they took. I know there was at least one. That's what Pinnacle gets on the -900 thanks to an aribitrator. We get $7/hr less on the -200.

Anyone that's wanting to go to Pinnacle right now, I'm telling them to hold out for something better. Compass is hiring now, and some of the other regionals (minus maybe Comair, XJT and Mesaba unless they recall everyone) will likely be hiring sometime this year. If it were me, I'd rather hold out for an extra year for a better regional than get beat down on reserve at Pinnacle for poverty wages. We've had FOs leave the industry altogether thanks to the beating reserves have been getting. Sure, it's not like the glossy ads say at ANY regional, but IMO reserve here is pitifully bad. I'm over guarantee for the month, and they yanked a turn from me yesterday, and put me on airport reserve. Gave the turn to a guy junior to me that WAS on airport reserve....who is under guarantee. AFAIK, we're the only regional that doesn't get some sort of pay credit for sitting RR (and for the most part that wasn't changed in our failed TA), so he flew the turn at no extra cost to the company, and I sat at the airport for 9 hours at no extra cost to the company. If I had flown what was originally on my schedule, it woulda been close to 4 extra hours of pay for me. It was all legal since reserves don't have any rights, and the contract says they can use their reserves however they want. I've still got two more home reserve days left in the bid period, and I wouldn't be a BIT surprised if both of those turn into airport reserves. Wouldn't mind so much if there was a pay credit attached. Hell, I wouldn't even get the $1.40/hr for the per diem.

So, once again: if you're looking at Pinnacle......wait and go somewhere better. Or at least wait and see if we get a better contract sometime this decade.
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XJT took zero pay cuts, we took a pay freeze on automatic yearly pay raises for a one year period.
 
Guess we're not gonna hire to fix the staffing issues. They're just gonna displace 14 CAs and 20 FOs outta ATL. For the love of god, don't hire! We'll just displace guys until we're short in all four bases.
 
kellwolf said:
Guess we're not gonna hire to fix the staffing issues. They're just gonna displace 14 CAs and 20 FOs outta ATL. For the love of god, don't hire! We'll just displace guys until we're short in all four bases.
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Forget a Band-Aid... this is just scrubbing a wound with dirty water! :banghead:

And to think I had worked my way back up to being just about able to hold a high speed line again... DOH!
 
If you guys make a "We Fixed It" sticker I'll buy one. I need to update my 1900 sticker it's falling off my bag.

Steve, if you need help packing up let me know.
 
pilotlight said:
Where are the 14 and 20 going? Dont they have to post that?
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Wherever their seniority can hold, I guess. Of the 14 CAs getting displaced from ATL, I'm senior to 6 of them. So, I only have to worry about the other 8. That's enough to knock me out of MEM, though. I was 6 from the bottom, but I think one of the guys under me escaped. Now I'm 5 from the bottom. Other question is what about the management guy that's on the ATL CA seniority list in that 14? I should also toss out he's not even AT Pinnacle right now. He's over at COLGAN. Is his number gonna be one of the 14, or are they gonna go one more up to 15?

The big question is how many of the senior ATL guys that commute from MEM are gonna pull the trigger and volunteer for the displacement? There's a gamble even in that since they'd be assuming the junior guy's number, and if they're not in the right slot, they could wind up in DTW. For instance, if we've got 9 super-senior guys that volunteer to go back to MEM, 1 of them is actually gonna be junior to me on the displacement. Not only would I get bumped out of MEM, but he would wind up in DTW since the person whose number he assumed wouldn't have been able to hold MEM CA. Hell, I've even tossed around the idea of going back to the right seat. Be nice to get 17 days off again and bid number 20 in base. Then I came to my senses and looked at what the pay would be.

I'll still be a CA, the question is where. If I got bumped to DTW, I'd have to figure out the commute from MEM (yay FedEx) and get a crash pad until I could get my house rented out or sold. Then I'd take the displacement money and move to MCO where, oddly, the commute to DTW is easier than the commute from MEM. You've got umpteen choices outta MCO. In MEM? It's FedEx or Delta, and FedEx don't fly on Sun/Mon.
 
kellwolf said:
Wherever their seniority can hold, I guess. Of the 14 CAs getting displaced from ATL, I'm senior to 6 of them. So, I only have to worry about the other 8. That's enough to knock me out of MEM, though. I was 6 from the bottom, but I think one of the guys under me escaped. Now I'm 5 from the bottom. Other question is what about the management guy that's on the ATL CA seniority list in that 14? I should also toss out he's not even AT Pinnacle right now. He's over at COLGAN. Is his number gonna be one of the 14, or are they gonna go one more up to 15?

The big question is how many of the senior ATL guys that commute from MEM are gonna pull the trigger and volunteer for the displacement? There's a gamble even in that since they'd be assuming the junior guy's number, and if they're not in the right slot, they could wind up in DTW. For instance, if we've got 9 super-senior guys that volunteer to go back to MEM, 1 of them is actually gonna be junior to me on the displacement. Not only would I get bumped out of MEM, but he would wind up in DTW since the person whose number he assumed wouldn't have been able to hold MEM CA. Hell, I've even tossed around the idea of going back to the right seat. Be nice to get 17 days off again and bid number 20 in base. Then I came to my senses and looked at what the pay would be.

I'll still be a CA, the question is where. If I got bumped to DTW, I'd have to figure out the commute from MEM (yay FedEx) and get a crash pad until I could get my house rented out or sold. Then I'd take the displacement money and move to MCO where, oddly, the commute to DTW is easier than the commute from MEM. You've got umpteen choices outta MCO. In MEM? It's FedEx or Delta, and FedEx don't fly on Sun/Mon.
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Get some pilot renters, sell the house as a turnkey crashpad.
 
Something I have not thought about until after talking with a friend of mine in ATL...

How many pilots will 9E lose because they would rather quit and find other work than to be displaced out of ATL and out of the -900?
 
ctab5060X said:
Something I have not thought about until after talking with a friend of mine in ATL...

How many pilots will 9E lose because they would rather quit and find other work than to be displaced out of ATL and out of the -900?
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less than a handful of FO's if that many. The paycut, with commute and reserve other than at home would be the reason.

This is Pinnacle's 3rd displacement in about 18 months. Total displaced over that period, should be closing in on 100 (both seats). If anything, the bottom 10% in both seats may start looking for other opportunities.

Now if there were a lot of downgrades projected, things may shake out differently.
 
dondk said:
less than a handful of FO's if that many. The paycut, with commute and reserve other than at home would be the reason.

This is Pinnacle's 3rd displacement in about 18 months. Total displaced over that period, should be closing in on 100 (both seats). If anything, the bottom 10% in both seats may start looking for other opportunities.

Now if there were a lot of downgrades projected, things may shake out differently.
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I agree with Don. I don't think you'll see a lot of guys quit. I DO know a few of the CAs on reserve here in MEM would rather go back to MEM FO than commute to DTW. Can't blame them. If it happens, I'm not looking forward to that commute, especially with our "new and improved" travel benefits. Most people use FedEx as a back up, but I'd be using them as a primary since I doubt I'd squeeze onto an oversold DC-9 along with mainline, Mesaba, and Compass commuters in addition to 9E deadheaders being rushed to cover flights in DTW.

The other thing is, I'm not 100% sure ALL of these spots are going to DTW. I can't see 20 FOs all going to DTW. We need more CAs in MEM already, and the block hours aren't decreasing, so they may be planning on some of the 14 CAs coming to MEM. The company MAY just decided to let the chips fall and absorb any secondaries. It makes sense from a financial stand point, really. If you do secondary displacements, that's just more people you're paying out displacement benefits to. If you absorb the secondaries (which they are contractually able to do), you only pay benefits to those initially displaced. Then they can just keep doing what they've been doing: deadheading the reserves around the system to cover flying. Additionally, they could still build a lot of the DTW lines with MSP guys. 800 different ways to handle this, and we won't really know what's going on until the dust settles sometime in late March/early April.

As for looking for other opportunities, I've been doing that for months. No one upstream is hiring. :)
 
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