Plane Crash Leaves 2 Dead

Freeway is NOT the airport to attempt an arrival into during low visibility. Their are numerous power lines connecting large towers right next to the airport and I mean RIGHT NEXT TO the airport. Check AOPA, AirNav, etc ... and you'll see the caution about the powerlines.

Freeway is NOT the airport to attempt an arrival into during precipitation either. Rt. 50 (the major artery from the Bay Bridge to Washington DC) is mere yards from the runway and a plane landing short will ruin many people's days as Rt 50 is always packed ... and the runway itself is short and narrow = 2433 x 40.

Tragic!
 
What the heck is "Commercial Airline Rated". Are reporters becoming the laziest most uninformed people in America???
 
Is it me or does there seem to be a high number of accidents in the DC area that are fatal? At least the woman survived though, hopefully she is in good shape.

Kinda makes me wonder, judging from the photo, it looks as though it went into the ground nose first... I wonder if the seat belt airbags that come in the new 172s would have saved the lives of the two up front? Perhaps the cushion of the seats in front of her is what saved the woman's life?

Sorry for the speculation... Just got me thinking is all.

I almost decided to fly out of that airport a while back... Kinda hits home a bit.
 
darrenf said:
What the heck is "Commercial Airline Rated". Are reporters becoming the laziest most uninformed people in America???
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Darrenf just I quick question, who's the man in your avatar, by his clothes I would say he's a opera singer, orchresta director or musician.
Just wondering.:)
 
Mariano said:
Darrenf just I quick question, who's the man in your avatar, by his clothes I would say he's a opera singer, orchresta director or musician.
Just wondering.:)
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Well, there are 2 men in the picture, but I assume you meant the man in the middle. That is Andrea Bocelli.
 
darrenf said:
What the heck is "Commercial Airline Rated". Are reporters becoming the laziest most uninformed people in America???
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No, but you might be?

Reporters are normal people who hear things and make mistakes like you do. Sorry that they don't know that there's a difference between Commercially rated and an ATP (which if you've ever tried to explain that a commercial isn't necessarily for an airliner, you'd understand). They have to try and put it into regular english for their 6th grade educated readers. They have deadlines to meet and they don't just write one story a day, so give them a break.
 
Chris_Ford said:
No, but you might be?

Reporters are normal people who hear things and make mistakes like you do. Sorry that they don't know that there's a difference between Commercially rated and an ATP (which if you've ever tried to explain that a commercial isn't necessarily for an airliner, you'd understand). They have to try and put it into regular english for their 6th grade educated readers. They have deadlines to meet and they don't just write one story a day, so give them a break.
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Why do you always have to be such an @ss?

The reporter's job is to get it right. That is what they're paid to do. It's kind of like you getting paid to get the student or passenger home safely. If you got it wrong just once, you probably wouldn't be around anymore to talk about it.

Most of the reporters I know (personal friends) generally know one area, but they have to cover several. Local papers employ cheap labor and most of them are idiots. I'm pretty sure this article came from a local paper so that is why there he/she wrote something stupid.
 
stuckingfk said:
Why do you always have to be such an @ss?

The reporter's job is to get it right. That is what they're paid to do. It's kind of like you getting paid to get the student or passenger home safely. If you got it wrong just once, you probably wouldn't be around anymore to talk about it.

Most of the reporters I know (personal friends) generally know one area, but they have to cover several. Local papers employ cheap labor and most of them are idiots. I'm pretty sure this article came from a local paper so that is why there he/she wrote something stupid.
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I can say I agree with you on the immaturity of local reporters. They seem to write at the best, a 10th grade level. It is really sad.
 
stuckingfk said:
Why do you always have to be such an @ss?

The reporter's job is to get it right. That is what they're paid to do. It's kind of like you getting paid to get the student or passenger home safely. If you got it wrong just once, you probably wouldn't be around anymore to talk about it.

Most of the reporters I know (personal friends) generally know one area, but they have to cover several. Local papers employ cheap labor and most of them are idiots. I'm pretty sure this article came from a local paper so that is why there he/she wrote something stupid.
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I'm not being an ass, the reporter DID get it right. You guys put reporters up there with lawyers and management on the hierarchy of professions... They made insignificant errors. It's like that time you were flying and you forgot to turn off your strobes at night while taxiing in. Didn't kill anyone. Might have annoyed someone, butit didn't kill them.

Also, I doubt that reporters for WBAL in one of the largest markets in the US is "an idiot" It takes 10 years or so of experience to make it to a "real" newspaper. It's funny how people can be so critical of reporters for making such a stupid little insignificant mistake. If you really care about the pilot's experience, read the NTSB report.
 
BCTAv8r said:
They seem to write at the best, a 10th grade level. It is really sad.
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Their audience has to be able to read it. Newspapers are written on a 6th grade level, +/-... USA Today is written on like a 4th or so.
 
Chris_Ford said:
No, but you might be?

Reporters are normal people who hear things and make mistakes like you do. Sorry that they don't know that there's a difference between Commercially rated and an ATP (which if you've ever tried to explain that a commercial isn't necessarily for an airliner, you'd understand). They have to try and put it into regular english for their 6th grade educated readers. They have deadlines to meet and they don't just write one story a day, so give them a break.
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Do you always feel the need to insult someone to make your point? Which, by the way, it doesn't appear that you did; sense your argument is nothing but excuses. (deadlines, multiple stories.). Are you telling me that Joe American is to stupid to understand the phrase "Commercially Rated" but he clearly understands "Commercial Airline Rated"?

I really don't understand your fierce defense of the typical journalist today. It pains me to read any local paper anymore as every article I encounter at the very least has multiple grammatical errors, or at worst gets important facts wrong.

Think about this, every time I read something in my local paper, The Press of Atlantic City, I notice mistakes, and every time a pilot makes a mistake, you can read about it in the paper.

Perhaps I am wrong, but a simple spelling and grammar check doesn't seem like to much to ask, does it??


Darren
 
I'm just saying that what you're trying to say about journalists is akin to when people say that pilots just push buttons and work 3 days a month. They have editors to do the grammar/spelling stuff, and newspapers are historically drastically understaffed.

Commercially rated to the regular joe means that they fly airliners. The word airline in that second sentence is just redundancy.

The Press of Atlantic City is a small market newspaper, you're going to get the journalism grads from Syracuse working there...

It's not that easy of a job, and people make mistakes. They're underpaid and overworked too. So unless you want to start mailing a check to the reporters, don't expect anything more out of them.

Didn't mean to be any more insulting to you as you were to the reporters, btw, so don't take it personal.
 
Chris_Ford said:
They're underpaid and overworked too. So unless you want to start mailing a check to the reporters, don't expect anything more out of them.
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That is no excuse to do your job half-*ssed. If pilots were to do their jobs with that mentality you'd have planes falling from the sky on a weekly basis.:whatever:
 
BCTAv8r said:
That is no excuse to do your job half-*ssed. If pilots were to do their jobs with that mentality you'd have planes falling from the sky on a weekly basis.:whatever:
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Editors should be correcting the errors, not the reporters. There's a check and balance system. Reporters work harder than you'd think.
 
darrenf said:
Well, there are 2 men in the picture, but I assume you meant the man in the middle. That is Andrea Bocelli.
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No, I actually meant the one on the right (just kidding, just kidding);)



Thanks for your answer:) , I didn't write "who's the man in the middle?", because me saying that his clothes were those of an opera singer etc. were a clue enough to distingush him from the man (you, I presume) wearing a cassual attire.
I thought that it could be Andrea Bocelli, but I never saw a picture of him before.
 
Any chance the pilot was an part 121 airline pilot that happened to be flying a Cessna that day? That would make him a commercial airline rated pilot would it not?
 
Hi,

Been lurking here awhile on and off, but came on here to find this post. I live in the VA are and knew the pilots involved.

In the front was a fairly new private pilot (The ATP was his instructor) and the Part 135 ATP. The ATP was from South America, he mainly flew charters in a Navajo out of Warrenton (W66), had been living here for about 3-4 years. He had a family of 2 young children and a wife who relocated here, I feel horrible for them right now.

However, some more to this. I used to work for the guy, he ran the flight school at Warrenton a year ago, I won't say much about this but he and I did not get along well after I was hired, he was known for stretching the limits. I ended up leaving that place and have been at another school ever since.

Well, the weather on Wednesday around here was crap, I was glad to be on the ground that day. I read somewhere else there was a SIGMET for severe ice at around 5000, there was a light wet snow in the area mixed with rain/sleet. I don't think it was the wisest choice to fly a 172 in this, but I hate to make those kinds of judgments after these events. They were apparently going to ACY for a business meeting for the PPL and his back seat pax, they had to pick up another passenger at Freeway, 4 people in a 172 in this type of weather just does not sound like a good scenario at all. Why they insisted on Freeway I don't know, it had been said they did at least 1 missed if not 2 missed approaches and were advised to try the ILS at BWI, I guess they really wanted to pick up the pax at W00 instead of having him drive to BWI. But it all really doesn't matter now, I guess we can just sit back and think about it to learn some lessons from this.

On another sad note, Wednesday was not a good day for GA in the area. There was another fatal accident (4 fatalities) at Stafford Airport (RMN), at 11:30PM. Airplane was a Lancair and weather at the time was low IFR and drizzle, not sure if it was icing or not but it was cold, about 36f. The airplane impacted trees left of the runway on the missed approach, the missed calls for a climb to 600 and then a left turn. It appears as if they turned left without climbing. Well you all be careful out there, this could happen to anyone of us.
 
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