ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
The problem is a lot think they are Delta employees...
Pinnacle
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H46Bubba
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Had the same from some OH employees! Here's a good one...."Southerjets Intl signs our checks!" Um...no! Southerjets transfers operations funding to XYZ subsidiary to fund monthly operations expenses and payroll. XYZ subsidiary cuts the checks from a designated bank account belonging to XYZ. I mean if that were true all express/connection employees could say that, since the money that pays their payroll comes form their mainline partner. I learned a lot of tricks and gained a lot of inside business practice knowledge on how Southernjets interacts and controls its subsidiaries, while I was at OH. They have a much tighter control on 9E than they did with EV and OH.
bronco21016
I know H.T.M.L. (How To Meet Ladies)
Bidding about 55% in LGA so yea I got a line finally after 4 years. We'll see how long it lasts. As @kellwolf mentioned there will likely be a base closure at either DTW or MSP if we keep so many -900s in the NYC market. If that happens I'm sure to be pushed down even further combined with FOs leaving for CPZ.
EtD hasn't really been what they told us it would be (big surprise) but it has netted a few more than three. 8 I believe was the last I heard. We're at a total of 37 new hires for the year. Once we're at 81 airplanes we'll find out if they care to fix that.
The rumors are absolutely ridiculous sometimes. If you stay off the company board you don't hear a whole lot out flying around anymore. Apathy has set in for most of us. Those that still get off on the rumors tend to hang at the forum. There's an 8 page thread going right now about the finer details of merging us with Delta haha.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Apathy. Nothing worse for a pilot group. I hope it gets better for you.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
That thing is pure gold...
bronco21016
I know H.T.M.L. (How To Meet Ladies)
Is what it is. I'm actually quite happy lately. The only thing that would make it better is more money but that's what sugar mommas and part-time work are for. With a line I'll accumulate some total time finally and should hopefully be on my way to greener pastures much more easily and quickly.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
If you're happy enjoy it.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
They've got an SSP, which is more than what the poor guys at Comair had, but there's NO legal precedent. Although I can see a jaded CA with no degree or other options spending a couple hundred thousand on a lawyer and court costs to try to push the point. Fact remains that according to the SSP document, it's an INTERVIEW, and as Delta interview policies go, it's a one shot deal. You're still getting a guaranteed interview in seniority order, which is better than a lot of other guys. Assuming someone DOES push that, you think he's gonna be real popular if they do hire him on?
As for single carrier status, the people mentioning that weren't here when we tried that with Colgan. That was more or less an open and shut scope case. The arbitrator basically said "Yeah, you're right." then told corporate "Hey, they're right, but you can keep on doing it like you are. Just don't do it again with another carrier." Then they bought Mesaba.....
If Pinnacle is a single carrier with Delta, than PSA/PDT is with US Airways and so is Horizon with Alaska. Good luck with all of that.....
As for single carrier status, the people mentioning that weren't here when we tried that with Colgan. That was more or less an open and shut scope case. The arbitrator basically said "Yeah, you're right." then told corporate "Hey, they're right, but you can keep on doing it like you are. Just don't do it again with another carrier." Then they bought Mesaba.....
If Pinnacle is a single carrier with Delta, than PSA/PDT is with US Airways and so is Horizon with Alaska. Good luck with all of that.....
v1valarob
Well-Known Member
Which I hear is scooping up many a Colgan Captain. Who'da thunk interviewing with Chuck Colgan would eventually build a yellow brick road to Delta?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
True. If only pilots would be willing to fall on their own sword.
To quote....................
The Role of the Merger Committee By Captain xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Recently there have been quite a few questions and some confusion about the exact role of the Merger Committee. I would like to take this opportunity to clear up some of these questions and misconceptions.
As Colgan Pilots we are now stakeholders in a corporation that will soon have a seniority list in excess of 3,000 pilots; one single pilot seniority list which will comprises pilots from Colgan, Mesaba, and Pinnacle airlines. Under the ALPA Merger and Fragmentation Policy, the Merger Committee of each airline is tasked with the responsibility to work with their counterparts of the other two airlines to create a fair and equitable conclusion for the integration of each airline’s singular pilot seniority list to form a single newly constructed list comprised of all three airline’s pilots. It is imperative that all three merger committees work cooperatively to create this new list and avoid, at all costs, binding arbitration. Arbitration costs can run in the millions of dollars and the fee will have to be paid by Colgan pilots like you and me. In addition, the last thing we would want is a third party arbitrator deciding our list when they do not have to live on the list as we do.
A very important item worth noting is that when the Joint Seniority List is implemented there will not be any sort of a “bump and flush” bid. What does this mean to you? It means you do not have to fear about losing your seat or equipment to another pilot, you will not be displaced due to the implementation of this new list. This provision has already been agreed to by each airline’s MEC.
Captain Brandon Klock and First Officer Ian Harrison, the two Colgan representatives on the Merger Committee, role is not to ‘fight’ for the interests of the Colgan Pilots as an individual group. Their role is to act as participants to the process with pilots from Mesaba and Pinnacle to reach a fair and equitable solution in the process that accounts for all pilots on all three seniority lists. They are going to bring forward our concerns and let our interests be known but at the end of the day the ultimate goal of the Merger Committee is to construct a single list which will results in a fair and equitable solution for all sides.
Many of our pilots have mentioned the fact that we are continuing to grow with our Q400 fleet while Mesaba and Pinnacle do not currently have any planned fleet growth in the near future. Because of this there are some who feel we should ‘protect the upgrades of our pilot group here at Colgan’. Legally speaking there isn’t any way to guarantee upgrades to a specific group while denying them to another. This reasoning is based on various arbitration hearings throughout the years where arbitrators ruled that you cannot “guarantee” and upgrade based on the sole reasoning that you expected it when you came to a specific airline. Does this mean that Colgan FO’s will lose out on upgrade opportunities in the future? Absolutely not. One of the major benefits of merging seniority lists is to give our pilots more opportunities in the future by having the opportunity to fly different aircraft with the benefit of expanded choices in regards domicile options. The regional airline market changes daily based on the wants and needs of our mainline partners. As mentioned, although there is not currently any future aircraft on order with Pinnacle or Mesaba this does not mean that Delta cannot come in tomorrow and ask them to pick up new flying. At the end of the day we as pilots will have more opportunity.
A point of note, when the three merger committees decide on a method and process to integrate the lists, it will not become official until the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement is approved. The voting for the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement will be voted on first and then once it is ratified will the merged seniority list be released. We all want the pilots to focus and stay unified in their attention to ratifying the strongest contract possible.
I know that this is a very touchy issue. What I can assure you is that there will be no windfall for one group, it will be fair and equitable for all groups. What we need from everyone is to stay involved, check your ALPA FastReads for important date of hire validation issues, and stay unified!
Don’t hesitate to email me at xxxxxxxxxxx with any questions or concerns.
Fly Safe!
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
General observation:
Your posts are all extremely long and I don't usually read them.
deadpixel
Well-Known Member
At FedEx we started calling the flights to DTW the Pinnacle shuttle bus with the amount of guys jumping there for work after MEM closed.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Guy can't move on. O and his posts suck, I would rather read the owners manual to my lawn mower.
Who has all that crap saved anyways? 3 years later?
L-16B
Well-Known Member
I just got a new mower myself. In totally stoked to the max about it.
How would a cjc guy not taking the ssp be falling on their sword?
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Just wait til you get a lawn guy.
#TheAwesomes.
Cutting 1.8 acres and then now 1.2 acres is not as enjoyable as it was coming out of apartment living.
#TheAwesomes.
Cutting 1.8 acres and then now 1.2 acres is not as enjoyable as it was coming out of apartment living.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
I just moved out into the country. I've owned my house about two and a half years. Number of times I've mowed the lawn?
4
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Screaming_Emu said:
No, now thats good.
Is it really a lawn though, or is it more of an open field?
I'm pretty ridiculous about my bermuda though, so I won't lie, it gets cut every few days.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Most of our acre is woods and not really use able for anythingetting. But the small part that actually could be considered yard is filled with rocks and rather steep.
If we are outside we are usually on the deck and there are no neighbors nearby to be offended by our unkept yard.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Sounds like the perfect location then dude, lol.
Our first house, and current rental property, was the 1.8 acre corner lot in a subdivision. The grass there was a mixture of fescue, centipede and straight up southor weeds. After about two seasons I finally couldn't stand it anymore. Wife surprised me one birthday by having the yard cut professionally and the next day I sold my mower and other equipment. The next day I called the guy that cut the lawn to set up a reoccurring schedule - that's the Bday present that keeps giving.
Current house is in a cul de sac with about 1.1-1.2 acres, only about .6-.7 of it is grass - turf bermuda in the front and fescue in the rear. I have a reel mover I use between his weekly cuts to keep it at the right height.
But otherwise, it is not necessarily an enjoyable experience. There are countless other things I would rather do, so you're lucky to be where you are and with the space you have.
Our first house, and current rental property, was the 1.8 acre corner lot in a subdivision. The grass there was a mixture of fescue, centipede and straight up southor weeds. After about two seasons I finally couldn't stand it anymore. Wife surprised me one birthday by having the yard cut professionally and the next day I sold my mower and other equipment. The next day I called the guy that cut the lawn to set up a reoccurring schedule - that's the Bday present that keeps giving.
Current house is in a cul de sac with about 1.1-1.2 acres, only about .6-.7 of it is grass - turf bermuda in the front and fescue in the rear. I have a reel mover I use between his weekly cuts to keep it at the right height.
But otherwise, it is not necessarily an enjoyable experience. There are countless other things I would rather do, so you're lucky to be where you are and with the space you have.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
I can do without mowing but edging/ trimming? Love it. Maybe I could bust out my owners manual for my Black and Decker weed whacker. Probably still a better read.