sherpa
Well-Known Member
I am not from 07 or later. Even so, I lost about 12% points relatively. The guys after feb 08 that I know lost like 25-30% relative.
you are not correct, so should definitely do more listening then talking.
Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba Final Ruling Docs
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I am not from 07 or later. Even so, I lost about 12% points relatively. The guys after feb 08 that I know lost like 25-30% relative.
you are not correct, so should definitely do more listening then talking.
sherpa
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Nice flyin with you the other. lets do okonomiyaki soon!
sherpa
Well-Known Member
At which time we must jump off of the brooklyn bridge
sherpa
Well-Known Member
Plus when people finally start to vacate positions for other jobs/airframes CJC guys will have first dibs at the Q spots. This award is very intelligently designed to allow some movement while protecting what each group had.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Bloch did. Duh! He charged overtime from May 15 to June 16, exactly a full month of overtime extra salary from our pockets. He knew this from day 1, he wanted to drag it out to make some moola $$$$. The clear winner, therefore, is obviously Bloch.
higney85
Property of Scheduling
Bloch did. Duh! He charged overtime from May 15 to June 16, exactly a full month of overtime extra salary from our pockets. He knew this from day 1, he wanted to drag it out to make some moola $$$$. The clear winner, therefore, is obviously Bloch.
He is paid a flat rate regardless of time length on the award. Please get facts before lobbing the grenades.
Bloch did. Duh! He charged overtime from May 15 to June 16, exactly a full month of overtime extra salary from our pockets. He knew this from day 1, he wanted to drag it out to make some moola $$$$. The clear winner, therefore, is obviously Bloch.
Lemme help here
CAPIP1998
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The Company! We worked out butts off in negotiations to get complete freedom between certificates with NO fences. This was a huge ability to move around the system and provided a massive disincentive against displacements due to the high training cost. Now, not so much.
I actually don't have a huge beef with the integration, but 5 year fences seems ridiculously high for a regional.
The Juice
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5 year fences seem to be the "easy way out" for some arbitrators.
The Juice
Well-Known Member
That is a good problem to have, that all of our pre July 1st pilots will upgrade way before the 5 years and allow upgrades to become available to the other groups.
And I agree with you. Colgan has some comfortable minimum CA positions in this award and with any type of attrition we will see all of our pre July 1 guys in the left seat in the next couple to three years. This is just my guess and dependent on not having a total colapse in this industry or company.
meyers9163
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OldTownPilot
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I just find it interesting that a Q CA is grouped with -200 CAs but a Q FO is grouped with Prop FOs. That would have eliminated that huge gap of all the jet FO slots that has no Colgan pilot integrated in.
Of course there is a ~400 slot gap for pinnacle for all the prop FOs and a ~300 slot gap for the Saab CAs. But its a much larger group with much smaller gaps.
Of course there is a ~400 slot gap for pinnacle for all the prop FOs and a ~300 slot gap for the Saab CAs. But its a much larger group with much smaller gaps.
higney85
Property of Scheduling
I was silent when the -200/Q rates were brought forward but can say that the colgan folks get 9L Q spots prior to 9E. You may be more junior but you get first dibs on the CA slots. I'm still very concerned of XJ Saab displacements and being kicked out of a 9E -200 CA spot by a junior guy in the process.
Feel free to make some unwarranted demands of me and I'll gladly tell you the same.
I suppose that I am kind of immature for my age though. *shrug*
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Feel free to make some unwarranted demands of me and I'll gladly tell you the same.
I suppose that I am kind of immature for my age though. *shrug*
Well, you ARE pretty old.
BAM!!!
I was wondering that too. How did they decide that CA should be grouped:
1. 900
2. 200/Q400
3. Saab
But FOs:
1. 900 & 200
2. Q400 & Saab
From an XJ perspective it would have been nice to have those 900 FO spots ahead of the rest of the FO spots. From a 9L perspective it would be nice to have some spots mixed in with the 200's. From a common sense perspective it should have either been the same as the CA or all the FO spots equal because really an FO spot isn't much different between the 4 planes.
The Juice
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The Jet FO category has the most to worry about, speaking mainly about PCL FO's. Pinnacle is currently way over their minimum CRJ 200 CA requirements per the decision. Mesaba is short 12 so the next 12 200 vacancies will go to Mesaba. After those 12, both PCL and MSA will have met or exceeded their minimum required CRJ 200 CA spots. From that point on, CRJ 200 CA vacancies will be open to any pilot and be awarded in seniority. This is where the Saab CA group #3 comes in. That group is made up of mainly CRJ 200 CAs, Q CAs and Saab CAs. If any Colgan Q or Saab Captain takes the CRJ 200 vacancy it will open up a vacancy in their Saab or Q seat. That vacancy would then go to a Colgan pilot first since Colgan is under their Saab and Q minimum positions. This would cause a leap from group 3 to group 5 and the Pinnacle FOs in Group 4 are stuck.
Pinnacle FOs need to hope that Colgan Q and Saab Captains in group 3 pass on the 200 so that it falls down to group 4 for the RJ FOs to bid on.