Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba Final Ruling Docs
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Cruise
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Wow, this is one of....if not the most....the ignorant statements I've seen on here in a long time. And, that's saying something! Come on, internetz tough guy.....do us all a favor and put up or shut up. Who are you and prove to us how you were so disastrously effected by the outcome of the list.
I lost about 5-6% in relative seniority from the July 1 snapshot. If you want to take the current list, I lost almost 15%. That is, by no means, a huge win any way you look at it. However, I'm ok with the outcome, because in the end, it's just not that big of a deal.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Hmmm. I may have just learned something. It's not technically a category method, it depends on your number specifically? For example, the CRJ-900 CA positions (270 at Mesaba and 100 at Pinnacle), the first 370 spots on the list are the 900 category CAs. But if the #50 guy on the Mesaba list is a Saab 340 Captain, then he is technically in this category? He'll fall in here? Similarly, if the #100 guy at Pinnacle is actually a CRJ-FO at DTW, he'll fall in here at the 900 category, being the #100 on the Pinnacle list?
Do I have that right?
you finally get it
blee256
Well-Known Member
Yes thats how I understand it. Its not necessarily the individual. Its the seat/slot.
ajdwings
Well-Known Member
Cherokee your an idiot!!! Why don't you spend some time reading the award before you make yourself look like a bigger ASS!
Your like that annoying clown in the dunk tank at carnival! You know the one that just keeps saying things to piss you off and all you can do as throw that stupid ball, when you really want to jump in the tank after him!!
For the sake of everyone please go work somewhere else. You seem to be the only one whining like a pig over this award. Most of us think its fair and just want to move on.
DBAG!!!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Nice. Before calling someone an idiot, make sure your usage of "your" is correct. Try "you're" next time.
Mods, this is inflammatory, personal, and unneccessary. I've had my share of warnings for offending others, but my post initially was based on my interpretation. If I stand corrected, so be it. But personal attacks and name calling have no place. I expect this post to be modified, just as many of mine have been (some with time off) due to "offending" another poster.
[modhat]had you just reported the post, instead of calling out the whole mod group in public, it would be a lot easier to try to support your point of view. Unfortunately, with this type of post it is immediately apparent that you are the type that creates controversy. That is without knowing your history, but with a quick review, it is easy to see why you are about to get a bit of a spanking (well deserved). SO man up and deal with the crops you planted. When someone says something in violation of the terms of service, report it and give us the opportunity to handle it, OK? [/modhat]
Gonzo
Well-Known Member
Correct
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
If you go by numbers alone, for Mesaba, the first 272 spots are CRJ-900 captains, next 88 are CRJ-200 captains, and the next 132 are Saab Captains. 272+88 = 360. If Mesaba pilot #371 is actually a CRJ-900 Captain, he now falls in the next category, Saab Captain, for purposes of this list?
If this is true, holy cow that sucks. And yes, if this is the case, I stand corrected about my previous post. I thought it was strictly (straight-up) spots on the list corresponding to pilot holding current position.
Gonzo
Well-Known Member
Why does it suck? He is still a CRJ-900 Captain and he can't get kicked out of his seat.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
No, that is a category/status method. That's how it's always been. It's never about your actual category/status, it's about what you could hold if you bid the highest possible category.
Also, correction to my earlier post: each category wasn't done using a straight ratio, they were done using DOH. That is different than the DAL/NWA methodology, but I doubt the results are significantly different in this case.
The Juice
Well-Known Member
That is the Jet FO Category. There are a lot of jet FO's when you think about the total number of RJs that make up the new Pinnacle
Tell you what; send this guy a PM and tell him about your issues. I was actually planning on taking some sort of action on that post...until I read your demands. Go pound sand.
Report the post. Leave the preaching about how to do my job for the occasional weak captain, mm'kay?
Not that I tolerate that type of behavior on my website, but you have a low of pigeons coming home to roost after the release of the list.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I get it now. The award could also be stated as:
The first 372 positions on the ISL will be occupied by the first 272 Mesaba pilots and the first 100 Pinnacle pilots, in a ratio of 272:100, starting with a Mesaba pilot.
The next 818 positions on the ISL will be occupied by the next 88 Mesaba pilots, next 582 Pinnacle pilots, and the first 149 Colgan pilots, in a ratio of 88:581:149, starting with a Mesaba
innacle:Colgan ratio.
Rinse, repeat.
I think I've got it now.
The first 372 positions on the ISL will be occupied by the first 272 Mesaba pilots and the first 100 Pinnacle pilots, in a ratio of 272:100, starting with a Mesaba pilot.
The next 818 positions on the ISL will be occupied by the next 88 Mesaba pilots, next 582 Pinnacle pilots, and the first 149 Colgan pilots, in a ratio of 88:581:149, starting with a Mesaba
innacle:Colgan ratio.Rinse, repeat.
I think I've got it now.
Gonzo
Well-Known Member
I get it now. The award could also be stated as:
The first 372 positions on the ISL will be occupied by the first 272 Mesaba pilots and the first 100 Pinnacle pilots, in a ratio of 272:100, starting with a Mesaba pilot.
The next 818 positions on the ISL will be occupied by the next 88 Mesaba pilots, next 582 Pinnacle pilots, and the first 149 Colgan pilots, in a ratio of 88:581:149, starting with a Mesaba
Rinse, repeat.
I think I've got it now.
Now do you understand the rules about upgrade? How someone below you might get an upgrade you are bidding on because it has to go to a XJ or 9L pilot.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Cherokee, unless I'm misreading it, I don't think that's an accurate explanation. That would be an accurate explanation of how the NWA/DAL category/status method was done, but yours appears to be a bit different. It appears that instead of using ratios within each category, Bloch used DOH within each category. So, a more accurate way to say it in your format would be something like:
The first 372 positions on the ISL will be occupied by the first 272 Mesaba pilots and the first 100 Pinnacle pilots, ordered by date of hire.
The first 372 positions on the ISL will be occupied by the first 272 Mesaba pilots and the first 100 Pinnacle pilots, ordered by date of hire.
The Juice
Well-Known Member
You were in the unfortunate group that took the largest hit in realitive. The good news is we have a good Q fence. It provides for 193 Colgan Q CA slots minimum and currently we only have 149. That leaves 44 extra CA spots that will go first to us if 1)We take options on new Q's or 2) The company decided to increasing staffing on current Q's. These spots esentially provide 44 upgrades for Colgan pilot for any new Q growth regardless of attrition.