Pinacolaba SLI

higney85 said:
The longevity will NOT change. The hire date is only for purposes of seniority AND pass travel. The last thing on the table was the longevity and we let that go. It was FULLY known why the date was needing to be changed.

Everyone needs to remember that this has significant political involvement as well. What was said "then", claimed "now", and alluded to "later" all have reasons. The XJ reps would be wise to say "no, that's not right" NOW while representing their pilots, when prior we all knew that we were working to ensure parity. If they claimed "NO, NOT DOING IT" back when the JCBA was being negotiated there would have been significant fallout and the CJC pilots would see a bad side of XJ. Step back and see this through eyes of emotion, then assess the facts. That's politics. The ability to deny a fact still is beyond my comprehension.
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Heh. I'll be sure to pass that along.
 
Sooo.. Its end of the biz day for Monday and no word yet? Wtf is going on. Has anyone heard from alpa or people in the "know" ??
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Nope. Here is the info from the Pinnacle Corp. web site:

"In order to more accurately reflect our objectives as an airline, Express Airlines I, Inc., officially changed its name to Pinnacle Airlines, Inc., effective May 8, 2002. Pinnacle Airlines Corp., the current holding company, was incorporated in Delaware on January 10, 2002, and became parent company of Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. in January 2003 through a share exchange with NWA Inc. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. became a public company through an initial public offering in November 2003."

NewCo was also earlier than '07. There was talk of that in early '06.
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They might have formed it then but nothing was done with it till just before the colgan purchase. Like I said I was here when it happened. I distinctly remember the emails about the creation of corp and all the people trying to go to that side with phil. They posted job openings for the people to move over to the corp side. They created the pinnacle corp website www.pncl.com. Thats when pt stopped running our show and cs took over.

So it may have existed back then but they didn't utilize it till just before the colgan purchase. Anybody around here in 05, 06 or 07 remembers when corp became what it is today. I dont know why I am even talking about this. It doesn't matter and has no bearing on our sli or the new combined airline.
 
Stryder said:
Anybody around here in 05, 06 or 07 remembers
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Yeah, I was on the PCL MEC that entire time. I just want people to get their facts straight. Holding companies are not just tools to get around contracts; they are legitimate business entities that are used by almost all airlines, not just airlines trying to get around scope clauses. Pinnacle Corp. existed, with a Board of Directors and all, way back to 2002. From a pilot's perspective, "nothing was done with it" until 2007, but that's really not true. The legal entity existed and served a purpose for the corporation that entire time.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Yeah, I was on the PCL MEC that entire time. I just want people to get their facts straight. Holding companies are not just tools to get around contracts; they are legitimate business entities that are used by almost all airlines, not just airlines trying to get around scope clauses. Pinnacle Corp. existed, with a Board of Directors and all, way back to 2002. From a pilot's perspective, "nothing was done with it" until 2007, but that's really not true. The legal entity existed and served a purpose for the corporation that entire time.
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If you were on the mec then you know why I am saying what I said. To the average line guy, like myself, corp didn't exist. I personally didn't even know they existed until all the swapping and hiring started happening. That is the first I had heard that there was a holding company.
 
Okay, lemme try to break it down (again, for Joe, who seems good at confusing himself :) ). The seniority list (for me) looks like this:

Name Class Date Hire Date
Captain SW 3/6/2006 5/12/2006


So, that's the OLD entry for me (more or less). This would be the new one

Name Hire Date Longevity Date
Captain SW 3/6/2006 5/12/2006


See what changed? Yeah, not a friggin' lot. We're having this debate over a NOMENCLATURE issue. We basically had an LOA that put us in line with something Mesaba and Colgan already had. In fact, they have it better STILL since they don't even HAVE different longevity dates from hire dates. Our OWN new hires don't get that either. I'm basically being punished for working at 9E for 5 years since my "hire date" and the date my raise, vacation and sick time is based are 2+ months apart. Oh, yeah. They don't hand out checkrides in seniority order, so it's POSSIBLE someone junior to you might have an earlier checkride date. We've always based our bidding for class, position and monthly schedules off our "class date." What this boils down to is someone over at XJ didn't understand because 9E is, well, F'ed up. To my knowledge, we're one of the few (if ONLY) airlines that screwed their pilots in this manner. Not surprising someone's scratching they're head thinking we're trying to pull a fast one. In reality, all it does is line the 3 groups up by changing the words "Class date" to "Date of hire." I'll gladly attempt to explain it to anyone at 9L or XJ that thinks we're trying to screw them over. If after that conversation they still think that way, IMO, they're trying to screw US over by hosing us on 2-4 months of seniority. It's not "just for pass privileges." Sure, that's a side benefit of just getting what the other two groups already have, but that wasn't the only reason. In fact, my boarding priority STILL says 5/12/2006 instead of 3/6/2006, and we're several months down the road. So, an XJ guy hired in April would bump me off a Delta flight even though TECHNICALLY I was hired before him.

If Bloch actually gets this done, it'll be a moot point in a month anyway. The reason it took a while on the list is because it had to be certified. We tried just sending the list the company maintains to Bloch in order to speed things along. That's what got us into this mess. Surprise, planning had the list jacked up. The union does NOT maintain the pilot seniority list over here. Not sure how it is at 9L or XJ, but the company maintains the list here.

As for the FO on the merger committee that couldn't get out of the trip, I'm not surprised in the least. The company probably had no reserves to cover him and would have had to cancel all the flights he would have been working. Yes, we're that short. This is the same company that wouldn't let some of the negotiators out of their trips a couple of years back, though.
 
June 8, 2011

Yesterday the Pinnacle Merger Committee received an email (sent 3:51 pm) from Mr. Bloch requesting verification of two minor issues:
1) Verify the employment data of a reinstated pilots.
2) Verify the data of pilots hired after 7/1/2011.
His email asked for a quick response so he could release the award.

The Pinnacle Merger Committee researched, verified, and submitted a response at 6:10pm on the same day. In other words, Mr Bloch had a clear and accurate response in just two hours and 19 minutes.
We are very anxious and hopeful that a Decision and Award is sooner versus later.

On your behalf,
The Pinnacle Merger Committee
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Holy Cow! We are being proactive on hiring. We have hire dates for employees next month and beyond already! LOL. Common really?

Here's hoping for a list tomorrow guys.
 
I have access. But it will cost $10 per page to send you a photocopy.
 
jynxyjoe said:
At this point if I could just see my page I'd probably pay you. No tips for the van drivers the rest of the month though.


I said hoping, hoping! Don't go quoting me. I probably jynxed it.
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Well, according to Cherokee, this was all gonna be wrapped up right on May 15th.....
 
BEER SUMMIT '11!!!

Two Pinnacle pilots, two Colgan pilots (and hey, some flight attendants), at the Flying Saucer in LITle Rock... you heard it hear first... SLI completed tonight by us. :D
 
cencal83406 said:
BEER SUMMIT '11!!!

Two Pinnacle pilots, two Colgan pilots (and hey, some flight attendants), at the Flying Saucer in LITle Rock... you heard it hear first... SLI completed tonight by us. :D
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That sounds fun, but remember, none of you can be named the Kaiser of Pinnacle (no matter how tempting it will seem after the 8th pitcher).
 
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