Pilots Loading Bags? Good or bad...

re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

jhugz said:
I guess a couple months in the right seat of an RJ you magically learn it all through osmosis.

I guess 6-12 month furloughed rj pilots just have the inside scoop on union's, work rules, etc.
Click to expand...

With this single post, you've become one of these.

_files_troll_2.jpg


And I'm done feeding you.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Trip7 said:
Just ignore. You fellas just went 9 pages arguing with 3 people that have never stepped foot in the door for duty as a pilot in a 121 operation....
Click to expand...

:clap: well said.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Wow! This thread is one big cluster f!:rolleyes::deadhorse:
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

FlyChicaga said:
I disagree. There are ways to differentiate, because getting from A to B safely is not the definition of a safe flight. If someone does a half-ass job and almost causes an accident, is the fact they made it to their destination unscathed a sign that they are safe? Of course not. Plus, I would argue in the minds of management, they would not quantify the end result only on safety alone. They'd look at schedule reliability, fuel savings, and customer satisfaction. There are many ways to take shortcuts to achieve those final three results, while still getting to the destination OK. However, you take many risks along the way.
Click to expand...

I agree with this, however under a merit based system, the guy that half-assed it would probably be next in line for promotion assuming he completed the flight without incident while saving the company money. Seriously, he would have attained TWO company goals in one shot: providing a safe, on-time arrival for the passengers while reducing the financial impact on the company. Okay, now I KNOW I've been at a shady carrier too long when I can come up with that in 15 seconds......
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

kellwolf said:
I agree with this, however under a merit based system, the guy that half-assed it would probably be next in line for promotion assuming he completed the flight without incident while saving the company money. Seriously, he would have attained TWO company goals in one shot: providing a safe, on-time arrival for the passengers while reducing the financial impact on the company. Okay, now I KNOW I've been at a shady carrier too long when I can come up with that in 15 seconds......
Click to expand...

That's exactly what I was getting at. ;)
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Polar made me come read Doug's last couple of posts. Very, very good posts Doug. :clap:

Mike

(back to lurking...)

Doug Taylor said:
And folks, don't be surprised if we are not invited this year or next for the tour of Allegiant operations at NetworkJC.

Just another note. Generally when you see a southernjets guy show up, it's generally after hours and hours of cajoling them to register.

Quite frankly, most are more than happy to stay on the DALPA forums because they don't have to deal with that weird balance between experienced pilots and heavily opinionated people who aren't.

Every time a thread like this pops up and runs seven pages, we're enforcing a disincentive to registering and posting. Oh lots of professional pilots from all sorts of operations lurk, but who wants to argue on their days off about why $75/hr to fly a Canadian DC-9 isn't something to put oN a tshirt or brag about on Facebook?

If you want more professional pilots onboard, start acting like it. If you want them to stay, foster it. Trust me, we all didn't join JC to argue about lazy pilots not wanting to throw bags, PFT or how much cooler your Virtual Continental Airlines works better than the real thing because you have a better management team.
Click to expand...
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

ZapBrannigan said:
Polar made me come read Doug's last couple of posts. Very, very good posts Doug. :clap:

Mike

(back to lurking...)
Click to expand...

You try to get out, but the drag you back in........


Just succumb to your desires to type. Just do it. It's Saturday, you're on an involuntary overnight due to moronic maneuvers out of your control in an armpit of the universe.
 
Re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

ZapBrannigan said:
Polar made me come read Doug's last couple of posts. Very, very good posts Doug. :clap:

Mike

(back to lurking...)
Click to expand...

Don't you dare go quietly into the night. I'm getting downgraded followed by furloughed by the time Delta is done slitting Mesaba's throat. Gonna need some perspective from you.
:)
 
Re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

jynxyjoe said:
Don't you dare go quietly into the night. I'm getting downgraded followed by furloughed by the time Delta is done slitting Mesaba's throat. Gonna need some perspective from you.
:)
Click to expand...

He's certainly the one to get it from. If you can make it down to XNA before you're kaboom you need to.
 
Re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

I think Tunica honestly. Lotta 135, 5 day on 2 off stuff. But some guys love it.
 
Re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

zmiller4 said:
OK. Keep talking, it's just going to make you look more clueless. You can be the strongest guy out there, but the minute you lift 40lbs bent slightly in the wrong position...there goes your next couple of weeks.

It sounded crazy to me too, but it doesn't take much to screw up your back at all. Back injuries are the least fun thing in the world to deal with. The sooner you learn that the better.
Click to expand...


Agreed.

Bench 280, squat 350, deadlift 450.

Threw my back out putting a flower pot on the kitchen counter.

debilitating--no way I could fly--it was excruciating pain just to stand up straight and took a minute or two to do so.

I am on page 4 or 5 of this thread, so I am just gonna comment on the back thing.

fascinating post.

b.
 
Re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

FlyChicaga said:
I disagree. There are ways to differentiate, because getting from A to B safely is not the definition of a safe flight. If someone does a half-ass job and almost causes an accident, is the fact they made it to their destination unscathed a sign that they are safe? Of course not. Plus, I would argue in the minds of management, they would not quantify the end result only on safety alone. They'd look at schedule reliability, fuel savings, and customer satisfaction. There are many ways to take shortcuts to achieve those final three results, while still getting to the destination OK.
Click to expand...

You are absolutely right. If someone half asses it and doesn't pull his weight but the plane still arrives safely, he's doing a bad job. But how do you quantify that?

As far as schedule reliability, fuel savings, and customer satisfaction, those things are out of a pilot's control. Thunderstorms in the area? Well, there goes all three of them. The plane's going to leave late, so the schedule is off. Then you've probably got to dance around the storms, so you're going to burn extra fuel. And you can be sure the passengers are not going to be happy with the delay.

For a performance based promotion and pay system, you've got to have criteria that is objective and that is also something that the person being evaluated under that system is in control of.

Oh, and as far as moderation goes?

Some of you folks may remember that a certain individual used to post on here who told the Train and I to go strap some bombs on ourselves and blow something up. We told him in no uncertain terms that he needed to shut the hell up and that he wouldn't have the balls to say that to our face.

The Train and I are still here.

Think about that and then think about what it takes to get banned.
 
Re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

tonyw said:
Oh, and as far as moderation goes?

Some of you folks may remember that a certain individual used to post on here who told the Train and I to go strap some bombs on ourselves and blow something up. We told him in no uncertain terms that he needed to shut the hell up and that he wouldn't have the balls to say that to our face.

The Train and I are still here.

Think about that and then think about what it takes to get banned.
Click to expand...

Who was that? I remember no such thing. Wish I would've seen those fireworks. :laff:
 
Re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

I'm not sure i have to much to add since i do not have any experience with the system, but just for reinforcement, for the people who don't seem to understand,it has nothing to do with how in shape or strong you are, Before i went to college i was lifting 5 days a week with a couple lifts in excess of 500+ but most only about 300 and the only time i ever got injured was during a game or match where i hurried just a little to much twisted the wrong way and completely destroyed both of my anterior cruciate ligaments to the point the only thing recognizable was the stubs where it was supposed to be connected it really isn't that difficult to get your self seriously injured or even killed in the daily parts of life if you decide to do something because you can make sure your doing it safely and for those that wont leave those that do alone it's a personal choice and isn't that part of living in america the freedom to make your own choices?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top