Pilots and Tattoos

[Ian_J]

I would never hire someone with a tattoo, much like I would not date someone who had one -

The prove beyond a reasonable doubt you are DUMB!

Are you kidding me???

You will sit there an honestly say you think people with tattoos are dumb. Please tell me I am misreading your post.

So if you met a really great girl only to find out later, once you've already established a relationship, that she has a butterfly tattooed on her ankle, that would be it? You'd dump her even if you really liked her? Come on.

 

[USMC-SSGT]

I would never hire someone with a tattoo, much like I would not date someone who had one -

The prove beyond a reasonable doubt you are DUMB!

Is this a serious post..because i do not want to say anything if it is not serious..however

There are certainly reasons why someone would get a tattoo that does not qualify them as dumb. It is a way of expression, much like someone wears yellow because it is their favorite color or drives a Xion because they might feel it represents them. Although i feel it is not entirely wise to get a visible tattoo that could potentially hurt you in an interview i feel it is just another way of personal expression. Some express themselves with a yellow shirt, some get a tattoo.

I personally have two

I have one small one on my shoulder which is not visible with a t-shirt on that is in memory of one of my best friends who died in Iraq

I have one more on my outer thigh which is not visible even with boxers on that says "Semper Fidelis" it is a symbol of my love for my country and the Corps that i currently am honored to be a part of and is really only visible to myself and my wife.

Do you feel that these two tattoos which i have to express myself make me "dumb" ? just curious because i am interested in hearing your rationale in this matter.

Now a tattoo like tyson has on his face although still self expression is career suicide to anyone who aspires to be something other than a boxer but we are clearly comparing apples to oranges.

-shawn

 

[BobDDuck]

fall in line, conform, submit, obey.

theres plenty of safe and fun flying that can be done without resigning yourself to being a drone. only a matter of priorities and desires.

There are, but even then, they tend to require something of a standard professional look. I have a friend that flys Islanders and Trilanders in the middle of no where (off the coast of PR). He is all tatted up on his arms and back, and the company still requires that he wear a long sleeve shirt. And it is hot down there during the summer.

Keep in mind I'm saying this having no idea how old you are...
It's great to have an individual personality and stick it to the man (but you are the man... Sprint joke) but keep in mind, that in order to make it in the professional world you *will* have to conform a little bit. That doesn't mean you have to "submit and obey" as you say, but there are some standards that are just there and unfortunatly you will have no choice but to follow. You ever see Tony Hawk's pilots? Yeah... they wear ties.

 

[TXaviator]

There are, but even then, they tend to require something of a standard professional look. I have a friend that flys Islanders and Trilanders in the middle of no where (off the coast of PR). He is all tatted up on his arms and back, and the company still requires that he wear a long sleeve shirt. And it is hot down there during the summer.

Keep in mind I'm saying this having no idea how old you are...
It's great to have an individual personality and stick it to the man (but you are the man... Sprint joke) but keep in mind, that in order to make it in the professional world you *will* have to conform a little bit. That doesn't mean you have to "submit and obey" as you say, but there are some standards that are just there and unfortunatly you will have no choice but to follow. You ever see Tony Hawk's pilots? Yeah... they wear ties.

well we are in agreement then

i fully realize ill have to make SOME concessions with appearance and thats all good and fine with me, im moreso opposed to the attitude or train-of-thought that 'people should shut up and comply'.

that thinking really ticks me off. how would we ever have any inventors, innovators, pioneers, if everyone was afraid to stand out (in various ways)?

 

[TXaviator]

and btw, flying islanders and trilanders in the middle of nowhere sounds like a hella fun time!

 

[propilot3574]

It was a good move John.

When I was interviewing pilots in the "Shotgun" style interviews, we would talk to 30-35 pilots a day.

There would be 3 or 4 we would know "Yes Definitely Hire"

Conversely there would be 3 or 4 that were "No NEVER"

But then the HR agent would come in and say "OK give me 15 to send letters to."

It made me scramble. I would go over resumes and start eliminating people. I know I'm not the only one who would say, "Had a tattoo" or "had an earring" and throw it in the NO pile.

It's not that these things were important, but when you have to pare 30 down to 15, you look for anything. It is very hard to discern between what I called the "middle 80" - not the top 10% or not the bottom 10%

This is all in my book by the way.

Just wondering were these visible tattoos or did they have their medical records infront of you or did they just tell you?

 

[wheelsup]

i fully realize ill have to make SOME concessions with appearance and thats all good and fine with me, im moreso opposed to the attitude or train-of-thought that 'people should shut up and comply'.

that thinking really ticks me off. how would we ever have any inventors, innovators, pioneers, if everyone was afraid to stand out (in various ways)?

Those "professions" you listed aren't in the same category as a "pilot". They don't operate around the public.

Think of it this way - the public sees pilots as "professionals" and as such appearence is important. I wouldn't be seen by a dentist that painted their fingernails black, wore a nose ring, etc. etc. I think it's the same thought process for airlines and why they require your appearence to be a certain way.

Whether it means anything isn't important, and no, I wouldn't think a dentist that wears a nose ring is any less of a dentist, it's just how I feel.

If you think pilots "conform and comply" you are seriously misled! I happen to fly with some CA's that are upset with concessions, and as such cruise at extremely slow airspeeds (<200 knots in an RJ) to "stick it to the man".

 

[Chris_Ford]

If you think pilots "conform and comply" you are seriously misled! I happen to fly with some CA's that are upset with concessions, and as such cruise at extremely slow airspeeds (<200 knots in an RJ) to "stick it to the man".

Oooh, move over Mr. Payne, Mr. Jefferson, Mr. Revere. We've got a new generation of rebels.

 

[Mr_Creepy]

Just wondering were these visible tattoos or did they have their medical records infront of you or did they just tell you?

LOL like we could ask someone - "do you have tatoos?"

Sorry I know you are asking a serious question.

No - they were clearly visible. I wouldn't have a problem with a well hidden tatoo, provided it stays hidden!

 

[Killtron2000]

It cracks me up when [insert MTV personality here] clones call themselves rebels.

 

[derg]

If you've already got one, do not count on wide acceptance. The people that have them that already have jobs - already have jobs and you don't.

If you're considering getting anything visible outside of a standard summer uniform, for crissakes, do not do it.

This is a very conservative-attire industry rife with double-standards.

 

[slushie]

I happen to fly with some CA's that are upset with concessions, and as such cruise at extremely slow airspeeds (<200 knots in an RJ) to "stick it to the man".

hahahahhaa:nana2:

 

[I_Money]

Are you kidding me???

You will sit there an honestly say you think people with tattoos are dumb. Please tell me I am misreading your post.

So if you met a really great girl only to find out later, once you've already established a relationship, that she has a butterfly tattooed on her ankle, that would be it? You'd dump her even if you really liked her? Come on.

Yeah exactly!!! I just find it the most unattractive, unsophisticated and primative thing someone can do - it is like a man made rash, or skin blemish.

You've mentioned that before also in the context that you'd never date a girl with tatoo's. You might be a lil bias . But in the interest of professionalism I'd say that if you couldn't seperate your bias you should never be directly involved with hiring/firing of employees.

What does Iain do for a job?? You guessed it - STAFFING!!! Appearance in many roles is very important - a visable tattoo is a perminant fashion statement, it is like appearing in shorts.

 

[Ian_J]

Yeah exactly!!! I just find it the most unattractive, unsophisticated and primative thing someone can do - it is like a man made rash, or skin blemish.



What does Iain do for a job?? You guessed it - STAFFING!!! Appearance in many roles is very important - a visable tattoo is a perminant fashion statement, it is like appearing in shorts.

You've got issues man...

You're turning away a large chunk of the population by outright rejecting anyone with a tattoo and claiming they are "dumb."

 

[Mr_Creepy]

Iain doesn't have to spell at his staffing company LOL

Kidding! I kid!


He has a point, though. I've never understood the rationale behind tatoos. I had one kid tell me "but tatoos are cool!"

"So you're doing it to be cool?"

"No man, I'm ALREADY cool. This just lets people know it!"

"Oh so if you don't let them know with the tatoo, they won't know you're cool?"

"Aw man, you just don't GET it! This is ME!"

"A permanent scar on your skin? That's you?"

"Just forget it ok? You AREN'T COOL ok?"

"Ok just wanted to know."

 

[Ian_J]

Obviously if you have no interest in them, they won't be cool to you. There are plenty of people out there who aren't kids, who know exactly why they want to get a tattoo; and whose reasons don't fall into the "it's just cool, old man!" category.

Where some might think of it is a permenant scar on the skin, a blemish, or whatever, others think of it as art.

 

[Killtron2000]

You've got issues man...

You're turning away a large chunk of the population by outright rejecting anyone with a tattoo and claiming they are "dumb."

Are you saying people with tattoos on average are just as intelligent as us squares?

 

[Ian_J]

Are you saying people with tattoos on average are just as intelligent as us squares?

Is that a real question? Sometimes I just can't tell with you.

 

[Killtron2000]

Is that a real question? Sometimes I just can't tell with you.

That is a serious question. In my experience the people I have known that have tattoos or unusual piercings have below average intelligence. I honestly would not trust those people with a 500 dollar car.

 

[deserteaglle]

I've always kinda wanted a tat, one that would never be visible, but I guess as I got older it's gotten harder and harder to justify spending 100 bucks on something I may not want in 20 years, maybe even 10 or 5. Add to that that I want to be seen as a professional, so I no longer have long hair, I shave my damn hippy beard off, and took out the earring. It's for the most part just a phase, and I think that I knew that then in the back of my mind, so it's a damn good thing I didn't get that PERMANENT Megadeth tattoo.lol.

And I once heard someone explain it in a pretty funny way, "Remember what a dumbass you were 10 years ago? You'll feel the same way in another 10 years."

At the time I still wanted a tat, but you have to admit it's pretty funny.