Pilot Uniforms and Public Perception

[SteveC]

Ladies was used because I think some of you were acting like ladies.

I’m not following. How about being a little clearer in your description? Acting like ladies in what way? Specifics?

Card me if needed, but it is said in jest.

Was it in jest or did you really think some were "acting like ladies"?

Anyway, jest I can handle. And just to be clear I won’t put my moderator hat on in a thread I’m participating in unless it’s something really flagrant against the rules.

I know I can be wound up pretty tight, but it's time to relax and chill out. It's the holidays.

Ambiguously worded statement, but I’m going to presume you’re talking about you chilling out since I’m already an uber chill dude, dude!

 

[Velocipede]

Being a major airline captain does not equal cred in my book. Words mean things and he just pissed in a lot peoples coffees with that post. I don't have to give anyone any damned respect!!

What constitutes cred? 20,000 accident/incident free hours? How about being a standardization check airman in helicopters, turboprops and jets? How about aviation safety training at the Naval Postgraduate School and by the Air Line Pilot Association? Or maybe picking up the pieces of both military and civil aircraft accidents. Is that enough cred for you?

He told a a poster that he was gonna crash and kill people without even knowing him. That's not cool at all, and it's bad karma if you ask me.

Let's put it this way, I don't need to know someone personally to know they exhibit all the hubris and bad habits that have led any number of pilots to the bottom of smoking holes.

The cavalier attitudes expressed are plenty of evidence of a young "stud" pilot who thinks he's immortal.

Just remember:

"There are old pilots and bold pilots. There are no old, bold pilots."

 

[ppragman]

So I guess the opinions of the 20000TT guys who hired me don't count for ####. All hail velo, he knows everything.

 

[Goonie]

What constitutes cred? 20,000 accident/incident free hours? How about being a standardization check airman in helicopters, turboprops and jets? How about aviation safety training at the Naval Postgraduate School and by the Air Line Pilot Association? Or maybe picking up the pieces of both military and civil aircraft accidents. Is that enough cred for you?

Credentials? Sure..

Credibility? Maybe...

Respect? Absolutely not..

When you call peoples CAREER choices "crap" and tell others they are going to be "smoking holes" you look real childish and lose the most important of the three above.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

So I guess the opinions of the 20000TT guys who hired me don't count for ####. All hail velo, he knows everything.

Not if they're the kind of guys that you describe in the other thread about busting regulations and safety protocols.

 

[SteveC]

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Never mind. Going to bed instead.

 

[Goonie]

Not if they're the kind of guys that you describe in the other thread about busting regulations and safety protocols.

Cmon PCL, he never said he did all those things in the list. He was just posting something out of jest in the Aviation Humor section.

....and you know that.

Stop burning the guy at the stake!

 

[Velocipede]

If he thinks busting FARs is "funny" then he's a hazard. So are you, Ryan.

 

[USMCmech]

PCL, & Velo listen up.

Don't turn into JC's "Avbug" please. The attitude you've both shown toward ppragman stinks.

If he's happy flying his 207 in blue jeans, why do you care? If you honestly had something you wanted to educate him about, you missed it with your condenscending attitude. If you just want to prove to everyone else how smart you are, then you are just being a bully.

This website is not about impressing everybody with you paycheck, or how heavy your airplane is, or wether you have a pension. It's here to EDUCATE and mentor new pilots who are moving up the ranks. Most of us here are ate the begining of our careers paying our dues. We know that there are bigger and better jobs out there, but for now we are just happy to have a job at all.

I don't speak for Doug, but thats my opinion.

 

[kellwolf]

I feel bad for the guys that are gonna see their defined contribution plans yanked in the future in favor of the cheaper 401Ks. I guess then they can say they used to have a career.

My mom answers phones for Roadway (and she's a Teamster, look out!). So, you're gonna say that SWA is LESS of a career than a customer service phone operator just b/c they don't have a defined benefit plan.

 

[Qgar]

I honestly think PCL is Velo's son.

 

[Velocipede]

I honestly think PCL is Velo's son.

Well, I was in the Navy. You know how that goes, right, CalCapt?

 

[surreal1221]

Eh, I think you're wasting your breath, Velo. Some of these guys are just a bunch of SNAPs (Sensitive New Age Pilots). They want everyone to coddle them and tell them that everything they do is OK.

SNAPs?

haha - Very nice. Who came up with that little phrase?

Are there stickers that say Anti-SNAP?

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I think I saw it on another forum a couple of years ago. I liked it.

 

[mikecweb]

SNAPs?

haha - Very nice. Who came up with that little phrase?

Are there stickers that say Anti-SNAP?

Why don't you add it to your signature.

 

[jynxyjoe]

How the hell do you get ice in vfr? Alaska or hell? I'm sorry if I'm the dumbass I've just never seen that.

 

[ppragman]

How the hell do you get ice in vfr? Alaska or hell? I'm sorry if I'm the dumbass I've just never seen that.

Sometimes snow will fall and will be slightly melted because of inversions, sometimes snow will just stick to the airplane, and there doesn't seem to be any rime () or reason to it. Other times, in reduced visibilities (1 to 5 miles of vis or so) the moisture in the air will just start to adhere to the airplane, time to turn back. Freezing rain and snow are very common in early November and October in the fall in anchorage, and again in february, march, and april, with march being the worst. Sometimes, as you fly through a pass (got this pretty often in kodiak) the OAT the throat of the pass will be several degrees colder than on either end depending on the winds, so if its raining you can get into trouble, i dunno, there's a lot of ways to pick up ice VFR, happens all the time. December and january are usually the best because its usually too cold out of the clouds to get ice, but its so dammed cold that it just sucks to be out in it. In the summers you can get ice at around 5-10k depending on what you're driving if you fly through virga, or if its raining at the surface. The week before last we rain would fall on the airplane at 1000AGL, then freeze as you started your descent, kind of weird, but that's the weather.

 

[surreal1221]

To bring this thread back to life. . .

Courtesy of The Art of Manliness's blog.

Influence and Authority

Former San Francisco 49er Coach Mike Nolan fought to wear a business suit on the sidelines during football games. One of the reasons for this was that he wanted to make it easy to spot the man in charge. The men’s suit, whose heritage stems from military garb, was designed to highlight a man’s strengths. When cut properly and made with a fabric that compliments the wearer, it signals authority and commands attention. But this is only the tip of the iceberg – a policeman’s uniform, an airline pilot’s clothing, a doctor’s white jacket – all of these garments assure us that the person we are dealing with is an authority in their field.

AIRLINE PILOT'S clothing, not Part 135 freight dawgs who don't have to worry about boxes' perceptions of one's ability to fly around in thunderstorms and be a cowboy.

 

[jynxyjoe]

Sometimes snow will fall and will be slightly melted because of inversions, sometimes snow will just stick to the airplane, and there doesn't seem to be any rime () or reason to it. Other times, in reduced visibilities (1 to 5 miles of vis or so) the moisture in the air will just start to adhere to the airplane, time to turn back. Freezing rain and snow are very common in early November and October in the fall in anchorage, and again in february, march, and april, with march being the worst. Sometimes, as you fly through a pass (got this pretty often in kodiak) the OAT the throat of the pass will be several degrees colder than on either end depending on the winds, so if its raining you can get into trouble, i dunno, there's a lot of ways to pick up ice VFR, happens all the time. December and january are usually the best because its usually too cold out of the clouds to get ice, but its so dammed cold that it just sucks to be out in it. In the summers you can get ice at around 5-10k depending on what you're driving if you fly through virga, or if its raining at the surface. The week before last we rain would fall on the airplane at 1000AGL, then freeze as you started your descent, kind of weird, but that's the weather.

Ah. Got you. When you were talking about vfr ice i was thinking like clear and a million. I've seen rime at 4-5mile vis in new england flying below the bases. Just watch the damn rubber on those tires! Best way I found to stay out of that crap.

 

[jynxyjoe]

Jesus. Hug it out.