Pilot Records Database

Muff3n said:
It has honestly made me second guess getting all of my CFI ratings. Chances are, I will bust the CFI oral. The odds are against me.
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You can't think like that. Don't let fear control your thoughts or aspirations. Just study hard, practice teaching for hours and hours until you're confident and be as prepared as humanly possible. Use some sort of syllabus to make sure you cover ALL of the relevant subject areas. Then do it all again.

At our school we require CFI candidates to go through a panel with the Chief, Assistants and other senior flight staff to purposely create a 'firing squad' that can be even more intimidating than the ride itself. We have a very high pass rate.

Let me know if I can help. Good luck.
 
Well the public ruined trucking. Aviation is next.

Imagine getting ramp checked multiple times a day. That is what trucking has become. Along with on board recording devices that track our every move and restrictive rest rules.

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If the guy was busting his 121 checks/ride then the check airman and airline are to be blamed as much as anyone. The fact that you bust a ride in primary training should have no weight on how good/bad of a pilot you are on a real aircraft. Let the checheck airman do their jobs and evaluate their candidates/employees.

I busted my private due to fumbling with my e6b. After 20 seconds of trying to figure out the distance time thing the dpe said "let's head back".. an hour later we went back up in the pattern and finished. .2 on the hobbs. was it fair? Not my place to decide.
 
USAviationRecruiter said:
I do think it's interesting that in the article the Colgan official claims they didn't know he had busts but didn't fault the pilot for lying. Which means they didn't ask. No matter how arbitrary I think it is I would still ask.

And this is just cringe-worthy:
“If you have a DUI, you don't get a job driving a school bus,” Kausner said. “We think it should be the same with pilots” who have blemishes on their flying record.

Granted, that's from a family member not an official but it illustrates the danger of public involvement into industry affairs.
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So the (crappy!) carrier didn't do its proper due diligence in hiring.

Shocked and aghast, I say!
 
JustinS said:
Only people that have to be worried about this are the ones lying on their job applications about checkride failures... I don't see what the big deal is here... o_O
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Justin, why don't you post your Name, dob, ssn, address, and cert number. You've got nothing to hide, right?
 
dustoff17 said:
These days (not in your time, mind you) you not only have to explain any checkride failures but you'll have to accept that they might be the reason you don't get the job. THIS is ALL I was trying to convey.
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That has always been the case. It may be slightly more extreme these days due to the media and knee-jerk reactions, but you are in the same boat as anyone else with failed checkrides, recently or not, interviewing at an airline.

Its a competitive market, always has been. Want the job? Look better than the other guy.
 
I'm not a 121 or 135 guy, I'm just a CFI. But in my opinion your PPL ride and your CFI ride should almost be a "pass" if there is a bust. The PPL bust, in many cases is a stupid mistake and could be attributed to the CFI not the applicant. You might be able to make the same argument for the IR, but I don't see it. Obviously, the CFI ride is a different animal...it's not even a pilot certificate.

On my PPL ride I was asked to do a no flap slip to land, I had never done anything of the sort with my instructor and I was a pt 141 PPL. Luckily I pulled it together and made it happen without the pink, but when he asked that I was scared to death. My point is at the PPL level, most applicants don't understand what exactly they are being tested on. I was never given a PTS, but was just told the standards for maneuvers. I had no idea what a PTS was until the day of my checkride.

But on the other side, forget the professional world. How will this affect GA? Is it possible that because of the public outcry that this will translate over to checkride pass/fail rates for insurance too? Obviously I'm taking a leap here, but it could one day be possible that a few busted rides along the way could prohibit people from owning, renting, and insuring themselves in planes. it could hurt GA if it went further.
 
desertdog71 said:
Well the public ruined trucking. Aviation is next.

Imagine getting ramp checked multiple times a day. That is what trucking has become. Along with on board recording devices that track our every move and restrictive rest rules.

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I think it's a stretch to say the public ruined trucking. Trucking companies, management, impossible time frames ruined trucking. This all resulted in a lot of fatal accidents involving over worked truck drivers with less than safe vehicles. You can crap all over the FAA for the regulations, the way they seem to make things impossible, but it is proven to be one, if not the, safest modes of transportation. There is a reason for this. With that being said trucking has become much safer as well. I'm sure you get pulled over in weigh stations by a crusty chip on the shoulder trooper from time to time but at the end of the day it makes operators play by the rules. The on board computers and "smart" truck technologies keep the road system in this country safer by making sure drivers are rested and not pill popping to make sure the load gets across the country in a day and half. A very close family friend was an over the road driver for nearly 40 years. The stories he has are insane and he is happy there have been the changes made two the profession.
 
amorris311 said:
I think it's a stretch to say the public ruined trucking. Trucking companies, management, impossible time frames ruined trucking. This all resulted in a lot of fatal accidents involving over worked truck drivers with less than safe vehicles. You can crap all over the FAA for the regulations, the way they seem to make things impossible, but it is proven to be one, if not the, safest modes of transportation. There is a reason for this. With that being said trucking has become much safer as well. I'm sure you get pulled over in weigh stations by a crusty chip on the shoulder trooper from time to time but at the end of the day it makes operators play by the rules. The on board computers and "smart" truck technologies keep the road system in this country safer by making sure drivers are rested and not pill popping to make sure the load gets across the country in a day and half. A very close family friend was an over the road driver for nearly 40 years. The stories he has are insane and he is happy there have been the changes made two the profession.
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I'm sure "your friends" stories trump my 20 years. :rolleyes:

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Will the regional airlines even have the luxury of discriminating against primary checkride failures (PPL, Com, Inst, CFI, Etc)? From what I understand, they are having an already difficult time filling seats as it is? Can they afford to turn a guy away with three or four busts?
 
lilrkt said:
I was talking with my wife last night and decided to forego my 4 year degree work for a while and finish out my instrument and commercial. The only question she had for me was then what. I couldn't answer. The goal is to have a pilot job while I finish out the degree. The only problem is I do not know what is going to be available. Where can I find job listings to show here and me what I can do once I obtain my certifications. I know that going the CFI route is always an option but I was wondering what was out there in the way of cargo operations (preferably night time so I could attend class at normal hours). Can anyone give me some insight?

I live in Lapeer, Michigan and prefer not to have to sell my house just yet. So it would have to be in the Flint, Detroit, Saginaw, Port Huron Area. But sacrifices can and will be made if nessecary.

Thanks for the help.
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Now that I am taking my government mandated rest. I will address the absurdity of your statement.

You can start with this.

The unsafe actions of automobile drivers are a contributing factor in about 70 percent of the fatal crashes involving trucks. More public awareness of how to share the road safely with large trucks is needed.
—Occupational Safety and Health Administration

So if you want safe trucking the solution is easy. Get the amateurs off the road.

Electronic recording devices with satellite uplinks as now mandated are very expensive. $5000 to be specific. How about an APU to comply with EPA standards? Oh those are $18,000.

Maintenance costs on the new unreliable POS but EPA compliant engines? Astronomical!

All these RECENT changes have forced most independent operators out of business.

Now go ahead and tell me some white line fever story about popping white crosses and banging waitresses. 99.9% of those stories are BS and/or exaggerated.

Now did we run multiple log books so we could work more? Yes. Were we forced to do it? NO. Can an adult decide when they are tired and need rest? Yes. All this regulation is unnecessary and only increases the costs on EVERYTHING.



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As a member of the flight public - I would quite like to know my pilot took his training seriously and didn't struggle meeting the minimum required standard. I would also like this information on my doctors and nurses.
 
desertdog71 said:
Now did we run multiple log books so we could work more? Yes. Were we forced to do it? NO. Can an adult decide when they are tired and need rest? Yes. All this regulation is unnecessary and only increases the costs on EVERYTHING.
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Study after study has shown that people do not know when they are tired (fatigued). When you bring money into the mix the human factors are even greater. It's a shame that independents are going out of business but it in turn makes for safer highways knowing drivers are well rested and operate machinery in good working order.
 
Running all the experience out if the business hardly makes things safer.

136% turnover in this business right now. That's a scary amount of rookies on the road.

Big brother knows best though. I mean they give a $5000 grant to Mexicans to equip their trucks with EOBRs. American driver? EFF you!



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