Pilot Error to Blame in PHL Aborted T/O

[Autothrust Blue]

Thanks.

I think we are on the same page with the new SAPA regime....

I believe we've had that discussion before. We can re-hash it or simply consider it "previously briefed." There has also been a change at the top of Flight Ops and thus far the results are overwhelmingly positive, in this line pilot's view.

Again, my individual relationship with my employer is overwhelmingly positive.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Ours is published via the QRH. It is a message that generates a master caution after all

Aye, but I won't be fishing for the book at 60 KIAS.

 

[ctab5060X]

Aye, but I won't be fishing for the book at 60 KIAS.

I won't either.

 

[Kingairer]

ENG TLA NOT TOGA is actually "inhibited" below 60 kts IAS. You will only get the message if the auto throttles go into HOLD mode with the thrust levers not at TOGA.

If we get the message, our published procedure is to simply advance the thrust levers to the TOGA position and continue.

Typically it happens when you forget to Arm the A/T. I had a very close friend that it happened to awhile ago.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Typically it happens when you forget to Arm the A/T. I had a very close friend that it happened to awhile ago.

Or, as we do on leg 4 of our LOFT, when they are deferred. You can still get FLEX T/O-(_) N1 without being in the detent.

 

[wheelsup]

IMO not allowing the FOs to call an abort is a mistake some airlines make. My commuter did, and I liked it.

Or, as we do on leg 4 of our LOFT, when they are deferred. You can still get FLEX T/O-(_) N1 without being in the detent.

4 legs on a LOFT? Dear God!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

IMO not allowing the FOs to call an abort is a mistake some airlines make. My commuter did, and I liked it.

4 legs on a LOFT? Dear God!

Two days, two legs a day. It's not bad at all and lets you see some pretty cool things you might not otherwise do before going online.

 

[Seggy]

IMO not allowing the FOs to call an abort is a mistake some airlines make. My commuter did, and I liked it.

Just because you like it doesn't make it the right way to do something.

 

[wheelsup]

I won't either.

The company needs to get away from their "no memory item" philosophy and start putting some down on paper. We just did get one added from my understanding although I haven't updated yet to get the new bulletin.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Just because you like it doesn't make it the right way to do something.

Also doesn't mean you reject it out of hand, though.

 

[Seggy]

The company needs to get away from their "no memory item" philosophy and start putting some down on paper. We just did get one added from my understanding although I haven't updated yet to get the new bulletin.

What?

 

[Seggy]

Also doesn't mean you reject it out of hand, though.

Huh?

BTW smooth so far from IAH to SEA (riding in the back)

 

[jtrain609]

If we're not willing to trust first officers to reject takeoffs when it's their leg, I have no idea why we let them do things like land the plane. The PF is always going to know something is wrong long before the PNF has figured out what's happening.

 

[Seggy]

The PF is always going to know something is wrong long before the PNF has figured out what's happening.

That's not true at all.

 

[wheelsup]

Two days, two legs a day. It's not bad at all and lets you see some pretty cool things you might not otherwise do before going online.

I'm fine with seeing "cool things" in a training environment, but not on a LOFT that is pass/fail.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I'm fine with seeing "cool things" in a training environment, but not on a LOFT that is pass/fail.

We're not AQP yet.

 

[wheelsup]

We're not AQP yet.

Ah OK. That's good. Except AQP is nice as far as the actual approaches/V1 cuts go, makes it a lot less stressful.

 

[Minuteman]

It's the English accent.

("It's cool, just read this phonetically.")

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Ah OK. That's good. Except AQP is nice as far as the actual approaches/V1 cuts go, makes it a lot less stressful.

Having done both "Advanced" and "non-advanced(?)" qualifications recently, I think if you are well-prepared, pay attention, and go in and do things the way you've been trained, you'll do fine regardless.

 

[wheelsup]

Having done both "Advanced" and "non-advanced(?)" qualifications recently, I think if you are well-prepared, pay attention, and go in and do things the way you've been trained, you'll do fine regardless.

Well prepared for a V1 cut/stalls/steep turns when the last time you did one was 12 months ago? I dunno, I never really had an issue with them but I found the 12 months cycle as an FO to be sorely lacking in many areas.