Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
I agree, and I think it's about dang time that 135 pax carrying aircraft started to be required to have at least TAWS.
Pilot denied jobless benefits: SeaPort Airlines, accident occurred February
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drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Eh, well, DPE's have always told me, it will happen. and I have seen a lot of them. Would have had one myself without the warning horn. Guess what? Sometimes more important things happen while you were working that checklist...
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
I agree with your first two statements but the third raises my eyebrow. This is what happened to Hoover and it took him months and an appeal to the board to get it back. The Board rulled that handing it over constitues "surrender". Because of this case, I've refused to hand over my certificate during a ramp at TEB. I always carry current copies of my cert, med, AW cert, and Cert of Reg in the airplane; I handed the inspector the copies....he was actually happy because he didn't have to write down all the info there on the ramp.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
PC-12 gear warning horn is loud, obnoxious and I think immutable at 30' flaps.
PC-12 has EGPWS but no gear warning voice aside from the horn.
PC-12 has EGPWS but no gear warning voice aside from the horn.
Why? You pay for the benefit. It doesn't come out of thin air.
You bet your ass I'd apply if I lost my job.
fholbert
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Yea, kind of like not filing a claim for an auto accident because it was your fault.
Not filing a claim for a broken bone because you fell off the horse. (My wife every even year)
You didn't brush for two minutes each night so the cavity is your fault too!
Of course you died because you were too old. Now life insurance is out.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
You are correct about the 30* of flaps. If you do a flaps 30 takeoff and retract the gear before that first notch of flaps you have to listen tl that annoying high pitched noise for awhile.
Goonie
Never say die
Not defending the guy and of course it was completely avoidable, but I hope when you make a mistake down the road, you go give them your resignation as a "penance for your stupidity".
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You can thank the many functions of GPWS. Too low, gear. Too low, flaps. Pilots are warned. There are numerous ASAP reports from Part 121 airlines in which the crew mentions at 800AGL they got a too-low gear aural message. Some went around, (worse) others just threw the gear down and landed.
Part 121 carriers have checklist discipline and standardization so the gear issue is handled properly. But it can be missed and it has happened when the GPWS function saves them.
moxiepilot
Well-Known Member
When you have a mortgage in a single income family, let me know how that works out for you, mmm k?
fholbert
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Report in when you find free wireless access.
How cute, some people still apparently think that computers as discretionary.
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tonyw
Well-Known Member
Actually, your employer does. Now, you could argue that if your employer wasn't paying for it your paychecks would be bigger. But seeing how virtually all employers do not return cost savings to employees in the form of higher compensation, it's a tough argument to make.
And you're absolutely right, there is no shame in applying for unemployment.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
That laptop looks like one of the oldest Dell "corporate issue" laptops ever, probably available on the private market for wholesale prices ($50 or perhaps even free.)
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
When a configuration warning (say, landing flaps without the gear down) is triggered, it's definitely not a non-event. And the hooting of the GPWS, doubly so.
(Edited because I am terrible at words, and missed a "not")
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
So if you are coming into an airport to land, you think you're all set and ready, and all of a sudden at 800AGL you get a "too low, gear" is considered a non-event to you? Maybe at your employer, but at mine, that's an automatic go around for not having been stable. A go-around is a non-event, but to say this whole event is a "non-event" misses the mark. Something failed on that approach to landing (CRM, SOP, etc).
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
I tend to agree that almost any GPWS sound-off is cause for a go-around. Either you're not configured, you're descending too rapidly, or something and any of that is indicative of a non-stabilized approach which undoubtedly is prohibited at those altitudes by your CFM or Operations Manual.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
"Definitely not a non-event."
Sorry, the "not" got lost in there. My bad.
Incidentally, our rule is "Below 500' AGL, go-around mandatory; above 500' AGL and VMC, correct configuration or flight path OR a go around is mandatory." In IMC, you're going for another lap.