cmill
Cold Ass Honky
To be fair, I've become a lot more of a nancy myself in the past couple of years. All it comes down to is a difference in training, regs, and equipment.
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To be fair, I've become a lot more of a nancy myself in the past couple of years. All it comes down to is a difference in training, regs, and equipment.
Roger Roger
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I have dual redundant WAAS, TAWS, and synthetic vision with a moving map for IFR ops. I don't know why anyone would crow about how great /A flying is.
Autothrust Blue
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I like having GPS/FMS. I don't like not having it. I don't like driving around with an inoperative EGPWS either. I'm not going to come anywhere near the terrain, but I still like having all the defenses I can.
I'm perfectly capable of navigating /A or /U if need be, but I'd rather not—it's a high workload scenario, and we all know how those can wind up.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
I don't think we're exactly on the same page. I've recently made the transition into the brave new world and I'm lost without waas, an MFD, and a 3 axis auto pilot.
/Antique is not great at all. Not everyone has /g though. God forbid a 135 guy is out there with a Rand McNally street atlas trying to find his way to the airport and people dont know why he forgot to swing the gear.
fholbert
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Or for part 91 to make a 7 mile final stabilized approach. At many airports that would be a violation in itself.
Of course I don't have the sexy woman's voice; Mr. Macho, your wheels are up!
FWIW my wheels come down on their own at 95 knots when the throttle is retarded. I've never used it... yet.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
Probably has to do with better warning systems in the aircraft.
Roger Roger
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Could be. Our 10 year old avionics have a hookup for a TAWS gear warning.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
I knew a guy that spent 15k on new keels from a gear up landing on a runway, and then totaled a plane from a gear down landing on water before he would spend $2500 on getting a gear warning system installed. His excuse was: "it isnt worth the money."
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
which is disabled 99% of the time in bush ops.
Roger Roger
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See, that's the attitude it seems like a lot of owners have. It's pretty ridiculous.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
It's just people step over dollars to pick up dimes.
Roger Roger
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I'd have to check, as ours isn't hooked up (there's that owner attitude again, heaven forbid we pay a few hours of labor to run wires to the limit switches during an $80000 avionics upgrade) but IIRC even with the TAWS inhibit switch activated the check gear warning would show at the appropriate times. Which isn't a problem on the retract as it goes to paved real runways.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
Even if it was hooked up the pilots would just disable it anyway. It's annoying hearing "TERRAIN TERRAIN" for a 45 minute flight.
Roger Roger
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Nope, our TAWS is all hooked up, just the gear warning is disabled because no wires were run to the gear limit switches, there is an inhibit switch to prevent nuisance warnings. What I was trying to say is, I think that even with the TAWS inhibit activated, the check gear warning will sound. The retract also has the option of muting all audio input from the EFIS and for some reason a lot of our guys leave it set like that, me, I kind of like to hear when the EFIS has something to say.
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
Yours' would be a great argument were it not for the fact that the PC-12 has similar gear up warnings AND there were two pilots in the cockpit. It's not a 135, 91, 121 thing....there are failures in each that result in damage/death. THIS case is/was a disregard for the procedure.....as a CREW!
Boris Badenov
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Yeah, I dunno. I mean, I'm genuinely sympathetic to the fatigue and "anyone can have a bad day" arguments. But two rated pilots in one of the easiest planes ever made (and which has, as mentioned above, a gear warning horn)...eh, my sympathy just has to be somewhat limited.
That said, I offer no legal opinion. This is the Internet, I am the Law.
That said, I offer no legal opinion. This is the Internet, I am the Law.
fholbert
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Makes one wonder if they were working?
Roger Roger
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Yeh I dunno, somehow 121 manages to not really have lapses to that degree nearly as often as the 135 world. Seggy might be full of crap in his ideas for solutions but one thing he's right about is that 135 has a lot of accidents for stupid reasons that 121 operators have found ways to essentially eliminate.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
It would be pretty weird if it didn't work. It's a pretty simple system. Guess we'll know in, you know, 1-3 years.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
As far as 135 accident record goes...I think to some extent it is due to lack of SOPs, etc. If you know what the other guy is (or at least should be) doing, you can focus on your job. But I'm betting Seaport has SOPs. If I were to point the finger (in the abstract...no idea what happened here), I'd point it at the fact that 121 guys have essentially one job...fly the airplane. They know where they're going days in advance, for the most part. 135, by its nature, is a bit more "fluid" (that's a euphemism). It is not, by any measure, forgiving of complacency (and I say that as someone who knows because he's done it, not because he hasn't). That said, I dunno how you "fix" that. It's Air Taxi. Bus drivers know where they're going...taxi drivers don't.