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Roger Roger said:
With all due respect, that's BS. How many thousands of 121 operations are there a day, and when was the last time a 121 airliner landed gear up as a result of a flight crew mistake? Obviously the 121 world has something figured out.
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Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or stupid.
 
100% of my flight hours are without a gear up landing. 100% of my flight hours, I have not used a checklist. Therefore, I have a sterling record and am better than the 121 world. Do yall see how stupid this argument is?
 
cmill said:
100% of my flight hours are without a gear up landing. 100% of my flight hours, I have not used a checklist. Therefore, I have a sterling record and am better than the 121 world. Do yall see how stupid this argument is?
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The 121 world DOES NOT land gear up. It just doesn't happen. 135 and 91 does. Fairly frequently. Obviously one of these branches of aviation has something figured out that the other two don't.
 
The only reason this is an issue is because unemployment isnt government funded, its government mandated/employer funded
 
Roger Roger said:
The 121 world DOES NOT land gear up. It just doesn't happen. 135 and 91 does. Fairly frequently. Obviously one of these branches of aviation has something figured out that the other two don't.
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At least they have their lights on. That could have been a serious problem.
 
cmill said:
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Mechanical failure, not flight crew mistake. And even so, one incident. In how many thousands of operations over the last what? 10-20 years? How many Navajos, 402s, bonanzas, etc have been gear upped in that time period? I'm not some kind of 121 apologist but whatever they do to make sure they land with the wheels down works.
 
Roger Roger said:
Mechanical failure, not flight crew mistake. And even so, one incident. In how many thousands of operations over the last what? 10-20 years? How many Navajos, 402s, bonanzas, etc have been gear upped in that time period? I'm not some kind of 121 apologist but whatever they do to make sure they land with the wheels down works.
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I'm sure theres a 121 operator that has made a gear up landing. By your logic I could argue that 91 operators are safer based on the usage of EMAS.
 
cmill said:
I'm sure theres a 121 operator that has made a gear up landing. By your logic I could argue that 91 operators are safer based on the usage of EMAS.
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Dude, it's not a who's safer argument! It's one particular area of operation where 135 and 91 guys keep making the same freaking mistake that for all statistically significant purposes 121 ops have managed to eliminate. I don't know what your dog is in this fight but you seem kind of emotional about it.
 
Roger Roger said:
Dude, it's not a who's safer argument! It's one particular area of operation where 135 and 91 guys keep making the same freaking mistake that for all statistically significant purposes 121 ops have managed to eliminate. I don't know what your dog is in this fight but you seem kind of emotional about it.
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Its not about who is safer, its about you think that there is some kind of silver bullet to eliminating problems. I can't tell you how many planes that I have flown that didn't even have a gear warning horn. I would hope that a transport category aircraft with two pilots would at least have that. On the flip side there aren't too many bonanzas that are going to eat up enough runway at a large airport to need EMAS.

You see where im going?
 
cmill said:
Its not about who is safer, its about you think that there is some kind of silver bullet to eliminating problems. I can't tell you how many planes that I have flown that didn't even have a gear warning horn. I would hope that a transport category aircraft with two pilots would at least have that. On the flip side there aren't too many bonanzas that are going to eat up enough runway at a large airport to need EMAS.

You see where im going?
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Nope, still not seeing where you're going.

I didn't say that there's a silver bullet, but I mean for crying out loud, if there's a group of guys that manage not to make a stupid mistake, maybe the rest of us should look at which of their strategies we can incorporate to keep from bending metal rather than beating our chests about how awesome we are.

And yes, energy management and runway excursions do seem to be, along with loss of control, one of the areas 121 has an ongoing issue with.
 
Roger Roger said:
Nope, still not seeing where you're going.

I didn't say that there's a silver bullet, but I mean for crying out loud, if there's a group of guys that manage not to make a stupid mistake, maybe the rest of us should look at which of their strategies we can incorporate to keep from bending metal rather than beating our chests about how awesome we are.

And yes, energy management and runway excursions do seem to be, along with loss of control, one of the areas 121 has an ongoing issue with.
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Maybe its because a gear issue is a simple fix with two people with plenty of whiz bang buzzers and lights, but a little tougher with one person who might not be completely proficient with a burned out light and no horn. The same as energy management is pretty tough when you've spent the last 120 miles trying to make speed and altitude restrictions while setting up the approach and oh crap, I forgot to transfer it over to the CA's FMS. Now we're ref+50 five miles out and no one even knows it because this damn buzzer is going off and we still don't even know we havent made our call to tower at STPID.
 
cmill said:
Maybe its because a gear issue is a simple fix with two people with plenty of whiz bang buzzers and lights, but a little tougher with one person who might not be completely proficient with a burned out light and no horn. The same as energy management is pretty tough when you've spent the last 120 miles trying to make speed and altitude restrictions while setting up the approach and. oh crap, I forgot to transfer it over to the CA's FMS. Now we're ref+50 five miles out and no one even knows it because this damn buzzer is going off and we still don't even know we havent made our call to tower at STPID.
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Well, it's not real practical to put a second pilot in a Navajo or baron, but maybe some more whizz bang buzzers and lights wouldn't go amiss if you're gonna drag pax around in a piston twin. I know, the horror, more equipment! Next thing you know were gonna be dependent babies like those 121 nancies!
 
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