Penair ends non-EAS Portland flying

Inverted said:
You cannot become an ATP rated pilot in 90 days. Compare apples to apples, you Can do an electrician certificate program and start apprenticeships within a few months. The time it takes to build experience to be hired at a career aviation job is several thousand flight hours and tons of technical certification and training. Every new aircraft is a month of intense training or more.

Who cares about getting a commercial ticket in 90 days? Let’s talk in reality here guys.
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It is apples to apples though...
 
I'm with @Inverted here. I get that it's somehow cool to bag on aviation, and airline flying specifically, and refer to it as just a "process" and "low skill/knowledge," but that's disingenuous at best. Of those 365 "sea days" required for an OUPV, for example, little technical skill or competence is actually required; bouncing around in a skiff or on a sailboat is just as good as serving aboard a container ship, and there are no logs required.

Anyone arguing that pilots are paid appropriately (or overpaid! omg) needs to get off the f—ing island right now.

-Fox
 
ppragman said:
Meh.

I mean I get it - but I laugh at the emphasis on this when we're applying to be a mix of glorified bus drivers and semi-truck drivers / process operators.
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I'm actually slightly offended by this.

Aviation takes itself awful seriously a lot of the time and this is one of those times in my mind.

I get why and if I ever go to interview at a major damn right I'm wearing the nicest suit I can get...but I'd hardly call it "proper" interview attire for a blue-collar career.
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This viewpoint really stinks, in my honest opinion. Everyone should take pride in what they do, or find something else to do... but especially in aviation. It's crucial to not look down on people, but it's equally crucial to recognize that there are jobs that carry a certain weight to them and demand a certain degree of respect.

-Fox
 
Acrofox said:
I'm actually slightly offended by this.



This viewpoint really stinks, in my honest opinion. Everyone should take pride in what they do, or find something else to do... but especially in aviation. It's crucial to not look down on people, but it's equally crucial to recognize that there are jobs that carry a certain weight to them and demand a certain degree of respect.

-Fox
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Didn't you get the memo? You're not cool unless you hate your job.
 
Acrofox said:
I'm actually slightly offended by this.



This viewpoint really stinks, in my honest opinion. Everyone should take pride in what they do, or find something else to do... but especially in aviation. It's crucial to not look down on people, but it's equally crucial to recognize that there are jobs that carry a certain weight to them and demand a certain degree of respect.

-Fox
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You're free to be offended by it, I take a ton of pride in my work. I was a craftsman trying to do my finest job and get a little bit better every day.

It's not a bad thing for this to be a trade. This is a better job when it's blue collar and not so pretentious.
 
JordanD said:
Didn't you get the memo? You're not cool unless you hate your job.
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Flying the best job in the world. Calling it a trade or blue collar doesn't denigrate the career.

Flying is the best job in the world, but it's not a white collar job, and that's ok! It's a process operations job with a huge technique component.

It takes years and years to get good at it, and it's not something anyone can do...but it's a trade.

Everything in this thread proves to me that people take themselves far too seriously about this stuff.
 
ppragman said:
Flying the best job in the world. Calling it a trade or blue collar doesn't denigrate the career.

Flying is the best job in the world, but it's not a white collar job, and that's ok! It's a process operations job with a huge technique component.

It takes years and years to get good at it, and it's not something anyone can do...but it's a trade.

Everything in this thread proves to me that people take themselves far too seriously about this stuff.
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This. All of this.

Everyone's in complete denial about what they actually do. Which honestly is fascinating all on it's own.
Where that can hurt us is that if we don't have a realistic view of what we do, we'll have a much harder time incorporating advancements from other fields that are incredibly similar.
 
We are not doctors, we are not engineers. We get paid by the hour which by definition makes us blue collar workers.

Now, can we get back to talking about Penair pulling out of non-EAS routes in the north west?
 
If these routes didn't work ten years ago on 1900s how could they be expected to work now on Saabs?

Good luck to the employees.
 
ppragman said:
This is what I'm talking about with us taking ourselves too seriously.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...cides-tied-to-economic-crisis-study-says/amp/

I mean - I get what you're saying, but 10,000 people didn't kill themselves because they missed their flight to DFW, and there weren't 10,000 people who killed in aircraft accidents during the last decade or or so...
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Not sure why its a binary choice. Yes you can be blue collar and understandably take themselves seriously. Those in other industries have serious jobs as well that have consequences well beyond their own household.
 
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