Penair ends non-EAS Portland flying

Glad to hear you're ok for now. I don't know if you a desire to work at At Less, but they'd probably scoop you up if you wanted it. No degree is probably a plus (you're probably an overqualified flight risk if you have one these days, haha). I'd offer to help, but the last guy I tried to "help" was in the hiring pool, and got flushed out a few days after I turned my letter of rec in for him, haha. Apparently they look at my recommendations like a political endorsement from Kim-Jong Un. I don't blame you a bit if you wanted to stay away from this place though.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Holy crap, you mean, like, appropriate interview attire?
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Meh.

I mean I get it - but I laugh at the emphasis on this when we're applying to be a mix of glorified bus drivers and semi-truck drivers / process operators.

Aviation takes itself awful seriously a lot of the time and this is one of those times in my mind.

I get why and if I ever go to interview at a major damn right I'm wearing the nicest suit I can get...but I'd hardly call it "proper" interview attire for a blue-collar career.
 
ppragman said:
I mean I get it - but I laugh at the emphasis on this when we're applying to be a mix of glorified bus drivers and semi-truck drivers / process operators.

Aviation takes itself awful seriously a lot of the time and this is one of those times in my mind.
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As a former bus driver, not the same thing. I wish people would stop comparing the jobs like they have anything in common besides 'people start in one place and end up somewhere else'.
 
thevideographer said:
As a former bus driver, not the same thing. I wish people would stop comparing the jobs like they have anything in common besides 'people start in one place and end up somewhere else'.
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So is flying an upgrade or a downgrade?
Not trying to be funny, want a real take on it.
I'll be the first one to state I'm a limo driver, but way faster and in the sky and it is no drugs and BYO hooker - granted, that's a joke, but still.
 
thevideographer said:
As a former bus driver, not the same thing. I wish people would stop comparing the jobs like they have anything in common besides 'people start in one place and end up somewhere else'.
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Like I said, a bus driver plus a process operator job. You are operating really complicated and safety sensitive machinery that breaks and costs millions if you mess it up and people could get killed. Like a bus driver there's a lot of technique involved, like a process operator there are rigorous standards for checklist use and a deep knowledge of the appropriate procedures and systems is critical.

It's really not a white collar job. This isn't a BAD thing, it's good if this is a blue collar job. Flying is a trade. Let's not try to make it more than it is. We don't create anything when we do this job, it's not (or at least it shouldn't be) a creative job, it's not a "knowledge worker" job - no, programming the FMS is not the same as writing web apps. Flying is more like operating heavy machinery than it is like being a bank manager or engineer.
 
ppragman said:
Like I said, a bus driver plus a process operator job. You are operating really complicated and safety sensitive machinery that breaks and costs millions if you mess it up and people could get killed. Like a bus driver there's a lot of technique involved, like a process operator there are rigorous standards for checklist use and a deep knowledge of the appropriate procedures and systems is critical.

It's really not a white collar job. This isn't a BAD thing, it's good if this is a blue collar job. Flying is a trade. Let's not try to make it more than it is. We don't create anything when we do this job, it's not (or at least it shouldn't be) a creative job, it's not a "knowledge worker" job - no, programming the FMS is not the same as writing web apps. Flying is more like operating heavy machinery than it is like being a bank manager or engineer.
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Pilots will never come to grips with it being a blue collar job. Despite all evidence that it is.
 
ppragman said:
It's really not a white collar job. This isn't a BAD thing, it's good if this is a blue collar job. Flying is a trade. Let's not try to make it more than it is. We don't create anything when we do this job, it's not (or at least it shouldn't be) a creative job, it's not a "knowledge worker" job - no, programming the FMS is not the same as writing web apps. Flying is more like operating heavy machinery than it is like being a bank manager or engineer.
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First of all, we literally wear white collars. That aside, it's just totally different. Apples and oranges. A pilot doesn't know how to write a software program but a software programmer wouldn't even be able to unfold the jumpseat on most airliners, what's the problem? A bank manager doesn't have the lives of dozens of people riding on their decision making ability. All different things, pointless comparisons.
 
thevideographer said:
First of all, we literally wear white collars. That aside, it's just totally different. Apples and oranges. A pilot doesn't know how to write a software program but a software programmer wouldn't even be able to unfold the jumpseat on most airliners, what's the problem? A bank manager doesn't have the lives of dozens of people riding on their decision making ability. All different things, pointless comparisons.
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If a car mechanic wore a white shirt to work that wouldn't suddenly make it a white collar job. We are labor. And like pat said, we are mostly process operators. A certain type of but none the less we are. It's not a bad thing, and I think we'd all do a lot better in the labor market if we as a whole could take the blinders off and see reality.

Roger Roger said:
Lol @ dated distinctions like "blue collar" and "white collar" designed to keep the proletariat squabbling amongst themselves while corporate robber barons control the world.
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Blue collar is to say we are labor.
 
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