PC-12 Rumor

H46Bubba

H46Bubba

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I heard a rumor that Pan Am was going to buy PC-12 Pilatus aircraft to do flight training. Has anyone heard about this?
 
hahaha its probably just another way for them to separate gulible students from mommy and daddys hard earned dollars.
 
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I heard a rumor that Pan Am was going to buy PC-12 Pilatus aircraft to do flight training. Has anyone heard about this?

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Not that I have heard. I REALLY doubt that the school would buy just a/c. It would be very nice however!!!!
 
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hahaha its probably just another way for them to separate gulible students from mommy and daddys hard earned dollars.

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DUDE!! What is your deal??? Why are you so bitter toward the academies?? Are you Mav's bitter twin brother or something???
 
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hahaha its probably just another way for them to separate gulible students from mommy and daddys hard earned dollars.

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DUDE!! What is your deal??? Why are you so bitter toward the academies?? Are you Mav's bitter twin brother or something???

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LMAO LC I Think your right !!
 
Since you jumped in yankee_one this goes for DCA as well as Pan Scam.

i am not anti academy at all. I could go to one if I wanted to, however i am not a big fan of being owned by Key Bank for the next 20 years.

All this "jet-direct", "full glass", "train in a turbine", "bridge program", and "CRM prep" stuff is a bunch of bullsh*t and you know it.

The majority of people at the airlines never went through this meaningless crap yet they made it just fine. The only reason these programs are invented by the adademies is to make more money by makin people think they need all this "special training".
 
"The majority of people at the airlines never went through this meaningless crap yet they made it just fine."

I'd agree with that...

"The only reason these programs are invented by the adademies is to make more money by makin people think they need all this "special training"."

I'd agree with that, too...

At the same time, the "big academy" route is certainly a viable way to get to the regionals. You wouldn't know there is any other way to do it if you just read Flying mag or Flight Training. I wonder how many guys sign up for these academies cause they think it's the only way to become an airline pilot?
 
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Since you jumped in yankee_one this goes for DCA as well as Pan Scam.

i am not anti academy at all. I could go to one if I wanted to, however i am not a big fan of being owned by Key Bank for the next 20 years.

All this "jet-direct", "full glass", "train in a turbine", "bridge program", and "CRM prep" stuff is a bunch of bullsh*t and you know it.

The majority of people at the airlines never went through this meaningless crap yet they made it just fine. The only reason these programs are invented by the adademies is to make more money by makin people think they need all this "special training".

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Wow, that sounds like a pretty uniformed opinion!! So what I hear you saying is that the exposure to the advanced systems, crew resource management, and LOFT training does nothing to set and individual apart from the guy that built all his time in a 172 at ye' ole FBO, and does not have the same experience? If that is what you are saying then I totally disagree.

How can anyone discount the value of spending time in a CRJ simulator, or even just the exposure to advanced systems? Think about it this way... Two guys with the exact same number of hours, exact same formal education, just made it through the interview and are now in ground school at the regional airline of their choice. On the first day, a 4 inch thick systems manual for the CRJ 200 is dropped on their desk. Close behind is the checklist and procedures manual. Intimate knowledge of both manuals is required by the end of the week. On top of that, both prospective employees will be required to successfully complete a sim checkout at the end of groundschool in an advanced sim. Who do you think has the better chance of being successful? The guy that discounted the academy experience as a scam, or the guy that sat through a mock CRJ ground school, has studied the advanced systems, and has spent many hours in an actual advanced simulator? Who is going to be able to handle the multi-crew environment better? The guy that has built time taking his friends up and showing them around the friendly skies, towing banners around town, or even just being a CFI? (I am not discounting the experience of being a CFI.) Or do you think the guy that spent the time working w/ a partner in the simulator cockpit, running through the multi-crew checklists and procedures? I pick the later.

Yes, it might have cost me a pretty penny, but the experience I happily paid for, is going to help me out a ton when I am sitting in a regional ground school. I will know what to expect, and understand what is expected of me.

I tell you what... If by some chance you are sitting next to me in ground school (provided you are pursuing an airline career), I will happily do what I can to help you catch up when you are completely overwhelmed because the learning curve is so steep. Deal??
 
"Yes, it might have cost me a pretty penny, but the experience I happily paid for, is going to help me out a ton when I am sitting in a regional ground school"

Dream on....

It's not going to "help you a ton". Might make you feel better. Maybe that's worth the money, and, if so, more power to ya.

I had my 727 F/E ticket when I got hired at UPS. Full F/E ticket, not just the written. An F/E turbojet rating I paid a lot of money for. When I got hired at UPS, surprise, surprise...I ended up as a 727 F/E. My previous experience with the 727 F/E rating meant I didn't have to take the end of course checkride with the FAA....that's about it. I had to work just as hard as everyone else in training to be successful. My previous experience didn't give me any extra feelings of confidence or superiority. I had to bust my butt like everyone else.

Guys get through 121 RJ ground school every day without "special" training. You walk in the door and give six weeks of 24/7 attention to what you are doing. It's not easy for anyone but you don't need any special training before hand to be successful.
 
"I tell you what... If by some chance you are sitting next to me in ground school (provided you are pursuing an airline career), I will happily do what I can to help you catch up when you are completely overwhelmed because the learning curve is so steep. Deal??"

Dude....you are so full of yourself it makes me wanna puke. If there's one thing I've enjoyed over the years, it's been watching dickheads like you struggle with the reality of the business. You have no idea what you're in for or what it takes to make it. Somebody's sold you a bill of goods and you think you're hot [censored] cause of it. It's because of posts like yours that I love to hang around the academy forums and blast away when folks make stupid comments.

Be sure to let us know how superior you are to everyone else in your RJ class cause of your superior background. Better yet...let me know when your class date is and what airline you get hired at. Maybe I can call in a few favors to see someone puts you in your place....
 
"Maybe I can call in a few favors to see someone puts you in your place...."

Oh second thought, I'm sorry I said that. I'd never do that.

121 ground school has a way of humbling the arrogant...you'll see what I mean.

I should never post within 48 hours of reading those academy ads...they get my blood pressure up.
 
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"I tell you what... If by some chance you are sitting next to me in ground school (provided you are pursuing an airline career), I will happily do what I can to help you catch up when you are completely overwhelmed because the learning curve is so steep. Deal??"

Dude....you are so full of yourself it makes me wanna puke. If there's one thing I've enjoyed over the years, it's been watching dickheads like you struggle with the reality of the business. You have no idea what you're in for or what it takes to make it. Somebody's sold you a bill of goods and you think you're hot [censored] cause of it. It's because of posts like yours that I love to hang around the academy forums and blast away when folks make stupid comments.

Be sure to let us know how superior you are to everyone else in your RJ class cause of your superior background. Better yet...let me know when your class date is and what airline you get hired at. Maybe I can call in a few favors to see someone puts you in your place....

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Well, I can see I certainly touched a nerve. I am quite surprised that a professional like yourself would stoop to childish name calling. There really is no reason to get nasty. Oh well... I'm rubber, you are glue... :-)

The funny thing is that you know absolutely nothing about me. I find it very interesting that you feel the need to "flex your muscles" just to "put me in my place". No worries though. I am big enough to realize that you are just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

Let me ask you something... You mentioned that you paid to get your 727 F/E rating, right? Do you think having that previous experience gave you an advantage over those that didn't have the experience? If not, then why did you pay the extra $$$ to get the rating in the first place? You must have thought it would come in handy at some point in your aviation career. Has it????

Isn't if funny how a simple question about a PC-12, could lead to raising someone's blood pressure!!
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DE727 had every right to say what he said. Your previous post was absurd and the very reason most pilots hate the big academies.

You are so caught up in the bullsh*t they feed you that you actually believe every word they say.
 
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DE727 had every right to say what he said. Your previous post was absurd and the very reason most pilots hate the big academies.

You are so caught up in the bullsh*t they feed you that you actually believe every word they say.

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I actually don't remember saying that he has no right to his opinion. In fact I value his opinion, I just happen to disagree with him. I hope that is okay.

On another note, I am very capable of being able to discern fact from fiction. 13 months ago, I began my flying career. I realized that I was no Spring chicken, and that time was not on my side. I made the conscious decision to pack as much "experience" into those 13 months as I possibly could. I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to have the exposure to the advanced systems training that my school offered. By no means does that make me "better than anyone", but I will say that I feel much more equipped the deal with what future ground schools might hold. Hey, if I am wrong, who's loss is it? Mine! But if I am right, then good for me.
 
"You mentioned that you paid to get your 727 F/E rating, right? Do you think having that previous experience gave you an advantage over those that didn't have the experience? If not, then why did you pay the extra $$$ to get the rating in the first place?"

When I was super low time. That would be 2000 total and 50 multi. I made friends with a pilot from Hawaiian Air who told me they were hiring low time guys like me into the F/E seat on their DC8's. He said if I had a full F/E turbojet ticket, he'd be happy to walk my resume in. I got it. Never heard another word...

Having the full F/E ticket might have made a point on my resume. It would have come behind a college degree, 121 experience, large turboprop type rating, 400 hours PIC in a Convair 640, and 1400 hours total turbine. I would say UPS probably rated a full F/E ticket above the fact that I had a CFI rating.

At the time...they were looking for warm bodies that could get through training. I was one of only a few in my indoc class that had the full F/E. At least half my class was ex-Braniff 2. No one in the overall group failed initial and maybe 10 percent had an F/E ticket.

If this "advanced" advance training is so important..how come so many guys get through initial without it?
 
Lets make sure that we have a couple of things straight. ( I feel like we are getting way off track here.) At no point did I say that to get through initial, you MUST have "advanced systems" training or you will fail. All I am saying is that having the exposure to the advanced systems must be helpful to an individual during that initial training. Obviously, many people have made it through initial w/o the training, and that is great!!! I am not discounting the challenge that the initial gs is going to present. All I am saying is... Like anything in life, the more "experience" you can get under your belt, the better off you will be.
 
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"The majority of people at the airlines never went through this meaningless crap yet they made it just fine."

I'd agree with that...

"The only reason these programs are invented by the adademies is to make more money by makin people think they need all this "special training"."

I'd agree with that, too...

At the same time, the "big academy" route is certainly a viable way to get to the regionals. You wouldn't know there is any other way to do it if you just read Flying mag or Flight Training. I wonder how many guys sign up for these academies cause they think it's the only way to become an airline pilot?

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That's what I thought when I first became a private pilot. I saw all the ads in the magazines and I had a CFI tell me that 141 training was the only way to go. He was from the University of North Dakota and said they were like Harvard.
 
Pan Am are buying 6 Pilatus PC-12, glass, FMS, TCAS II for airways training, and 4 PC-7 for upset attitude recovery.



pfffffttt.....
 
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Pan Am are buying 6 Pilatus PC-12, glass, FMS, TCAS II for airways training, and 4 PC-7 for upset attitude recovery.

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Are you talking about Pan Am the flight school, or Pan Am the airline?
 
Heard the Airline was ceasing business as Pan Am soon and will be using the Boston-Maine name. Still see them flying here lately however.
 
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