Pay raise today

jynxyjoe

jynxyjoe

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Snapbacks, how I wuv you.

It's just a buck fitty, but an extra hundred in my back pocket ain't hurting my feelings any!
 
Louie1975 said:
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Our contract is a concessionary one, we get snapback pay/perdiem/allowances every dec 1st. This is the big snap for us, puts us where we were years ago, then we get COLA each year forever assuming no new contract. Which, depending who you talk to, is a forgone conclusion (hope not).

Hopefully, at some point Airliners will post our new rates up, although it's not tremendous, two pay raises a year is comforting.
 
v1valarob said:
Is this a pay rate at which you were paid before going into concessions?
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I believe the LOA 23 is actually higher, I was not here for the pre-concessionary contract, and we've had a number of LOA's since then so I think the simple answer is no. However, in principal, yes I'd say it's a return. You'll need a real contract expert to speak up on that.
 
To bad they want the 9E guys to essentially take a CUT for the JCBA. That's right folks, management wants to jack our healthcare rates up but not raise the hourly rates enough from the 99 agreement to compensate for it. Friggin' love this place, I tell ya.....

BTW, Joe. Got your voicemail, and that's what I heard from my sources as well. Sounds to me like management doesn't REALLY want to get this done, went through the motions, and will just start moving -900s from the XJ to the 9E certificate in the near future. Meanwhile, we're still on ice from the NMB and approaching the 7th year of negotiations.
 
kellwolf said:
To bad they want the 9E guys to essentially take a CUT for the JCBA. That's right folks, management wants to jack our healthcare rates up but not raise the hourly rates enough from the 99 agreement to compensate for it. Friggin' love this place, I tell ya.....

BTW, Joe. Got your voicemail, and that's what I heard from my sources as well. Sounds to me like management doesn't REALLY want to get this done, went through the motions, and will just start moving -900s from the XJ to the 9E certificate in the near future. Meanwhile, we're still on ice from the NMB and approaching the 7th year of negotiations.
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How does the 4% raise per year they are going for not compensate for your 10% loss?
 
There's a difference between "going for" and "getting." In the end, we're only going to get what the company agrees to. The union could push for a 10% raise, but we'll never see it. Right now, I'm paying $150/mo insurance premiums with $5/10 co-pays. Now, my wife is on meds that she has to take every month, so if I got a $186 a month raise (roughly 4% of what I make now), that could be erased (or at least dwindled to next to nothing) by a bump in co-pays and premiums. An FO could actually go backwards.

Now, under TA1, we would have seen premiums go up to $170 over 5 years, and co-pays double to $10/20. However, I would have been looking at a $300 a month raise off of TA1. Essentially, it would have come out to around a $200 a month raise when you factored in insurance premiums, office vists and monthly meds. Sometimes, turning straight to Section 3 in a TA isn't the whole story.

Now, if they agree to 11 days off for reserves and a 4 hour min day along with a decent pay raise, then it gets better. However, they don't want to budge on the 4 hour min day, either. This is something XJ already HAS and 9E management doesn't really want to keep it. They like having their ready reserves at the airport for 9 hours for the same rate as they'd be sitting at home.....
 
nc1982 said:
I have my alcohol ready for tonites doom and gloom email from the union.
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FYI, apparently there's actually some pressure to get this done. Seems Corp called and told them to keep working past 5 to "Get it done." Last I heard, they were still working on things. Oh, and apparently they finally got it through their skulls that the 4 hour min day stays. Scheduling sections are now coming back from the company without it being crossed out....

The big question I have is if it doesn't get done tonight.....how much more do we let it go? I would assume that the min day would let some other things click into place. I'd be alright for extending it a couple more days, but I'm talking Fri-Sun, NOT waiting another week and a half or two weeks or getting back together after the end of the year. If it's not done by Sun, I say let it die.
 
kellwolf said:
FYI, apparently there's actually some pressure to get this done. Seems Corp called and told them to keep working past 5 to "Get it done." Last I heard, they were still working on things. Oh, and apparently they finally got it through their skulls that the 4 hour min day stays. Scheduling sections are now coming back from the company without it being crossed out....
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Im annoyed that there isnt some word, but Im guessing that if they had called it quits at 5pm, they would have already sent out an email.
 
Well, as I hit <submit> on that last one an e-mail came through. Done for the night, but the company was willing to stay late. JNC wants time to go over things to make sure WE don't let something slide by, and talks will resume Monday. No deadline, but the company says they are willing to meet all the way up until Xmas. I know I trust the guys we have at the table on the 9E end (I just don't know the 9L or XJ guys, so I can't say), so if they say it can be done, I'll let them run with it. No set deadline as of yet, but it's not like the past deadlines ever really meant anything. :)
 
Hey WI pilot. This Healthcare stuff is so tricky you gotta be careful. If a spouse has a prescription med (non-generic) it's an immediate 1500 a pilots pocket a year. That's if there's just one non generic.

This Healthcare stuff is so complex I really have to keep my mouth shut, all I know is this:
-Pinnacle pilots W2 will go up with leg by leg guarantee and min day
-There will be some serious QOL jumps
HOWEVER, I don't know if it's enough to make them want to give up that sweetheart heath package they get.

I can't speak for any pilot group, but I feel like, what I'm hearing, we are getting some great bumps for a contract talk that isn't any kind of section 6. Colgan may have some gripes, but lets not kid ourselves, this thing is a windfall. Pinnacle pilots really have to decide if they want to trade away their health care stuff for some QOL jumps and no pay increase. I don't envy your decision but I COMPLETELY understand if you aren't down with this.

Also, and I'm not yanking you all, this negotiating team is running a marathon with no potty breaks. Something is going on with Pinnacle, they want something, I hope they give us what we want. Otherwise.... eh.
 
If it isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread it gets my no. Matter of fact, a lack of trip and duty rigs is an immediate no no matter what the hell the rest of it says. That's all irrelevant though since I have no faith we'll actually get a TA soon, but I guess we'll see. I mean, ONE pilot group couldn't get a contract from these guys in 7 years and now in two months we're gonna get one for three pilot groups? Right...I have a bridge to sell you near my house, PM me for specifics and price.
 
Everything I had heard, was that we were getting the 4 hour min day, how did the wheels come off the car on that one?? Will call reps. Jeesh.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Everything I had heard, was that we were getting the 4 hour min day, how did the wheels come off the car on that one?? Will call reps. Jeesh.
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Does the four hour min day go for home reserve also? Like if I am on reserve for 20 days that month will I get paid for 80 hours?
 
jynxyjoe said:
Everything I had heard, was that we were getting the 4 hour min day, how did the wheels come off the car on that one?? Will call reps. Jeesh.
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I wasn't saying that it does or it doesn't at the moment, I don't know. I was saying that if the TA comes out lacking those items it will be a NO.
 
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