pay cuts ok

Eventually these airlines are going to run into a judge with a brain. . . and say no. Then, wtf are the airline(s) going to do?
 
If the terms are imposed expect a strike, and to not have a job unless you want to be on a list for the rest of your life.
 
There are some pissed pilots around here. The majority are talking strike. If this does happen it will probably shut the airline down. Hopefully some sort of agreement can be reached that is fair. I started working on my resume already just in case. I'm still on probabtion and no way in hell will I work if the pilots strike.
 
I hope there's not a strike. I hope there can be a consensual agreement. Luckily we're doing some of Air Jazz's Heavy MX, so I can still work if there is a strike.
 
If they srike I get to deal with angry passengers that think the greedy pilots make too much. :banghead:

Or I get to ramp the flights flown by scabs.

I think for everone's best intrest I stay home......
 
CFIse said:
There will not be a strike. The court imposed the contract, you think the court is going to let the pilots strike over it?
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It's total BS. The courts overstepped their bounds. The pilots or any union group shouldn't work without a contract. this 1113 filing (or whatever it is called) voids said contract and goes around the RLA. NO CONTRACT,NO WORKIE...BTMFD!!!
 
Why is there no standard pay rate for pilots? Seems to me that as long as there is no set rate the airlines will pay them whatever fits their budget. It should not be flexable nor negotiable.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
It's total BS. The courts overstepped their bounds. The pilots or any union group shouldn't work without a contract. this 1113 filing (or whatever it is called) voids said contract and goes around the RLA. NO CONTRACT,NO WORKIE...BTMFD!!!
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Sadly, there's been not one, but TWO legal precedences set this year alone. Mesaba and NWA. Both were 1113c filings, both said "toss the contracts," and both had injunctions slapped on the labor group to keep them from striking. Personally, I agree with Max. The courts are way overstepping their bounds. They're going from interpretting a law to making it up as they go along. My bet is that CFIse is right. CMR management is gonna plead with the judge to get an injunction on labor's end of the self-help spectrum, it'll be awarded, and the appeal will get mired in red tape. Meanwhile, the pilots are stuck with whatever the bankruptcy court gives them. At least, that's the way it would be if recent history holds true.
 
intern_mike said:
Why is there no standard pay rate for pilots? Seems to me that as long as there is no set rate the airlines will pay them whatever fits their budget. It should not be flexable nor negotiable.
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There is a standard contractual rate i.e. with a contract. Without a contract yes the company can impose whatever rates or work rules they wish upon employees. Which is why I'm saying this ruling voided CMR's contract so they are not legally obligated to work.
 
kellwolf said:
Sadly, there's been not one, but TWO legal precedences set this year alone. Mesaba and NWA. Both were 1113c filings, both said "toss the contracts," and both had injunctions slapped on the labor group to keep them from striking. Personally, I agree with Max. The courts are way overstepping their bounds. They're going from interpretting a law to making it up as they go along. My bet is that CFIse is right. CMR management is gonna plead with the judge to get an injunction on labor's end of the self-help spectrum, it'll be awarded, and the appeal will get mired in red tape. Meanwhile, the pilots are stuck with whatever the bankruptcy court gives them. At least, that's the way it would be if recent history holds true.
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I say still strike. THey're not going to arrest the striking pilots. And if they were to then just exersize your right to end gainful employment en mass.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
There is a standard contractual rate i.e. with a contract. Without a contract yes the company can impose whatever rates or work rules they wish upon employees. Which is why I'm saying this ruling voided CMR's contract so they are not legally obligated to work.
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I think he meant standard as in "same at every airline." If it were the same at every airline, I don't think labor would have this huge bullseye on them.....maybe just a small one.
 
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