Passenger attempts to blow up Northwest Airlines flight..

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But but...there haven't been any terror attacks on US airlines in years, people were starting to question why the Homeland security threat level has been orange for years now, if we aren't scared we'll start to think with logic and not watch Fox!
 
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You should have been on my recent flight from LAX-JFK...it was loaded with a bunch of Russians transferring to Moscow...I swear they got up after the reversers were stowed.

That is a cultural thing. I see that happen everytime I have flown into Ukraine. And every time the KLM FA's yell at the passengers and the locals look confused because they don't speak English or Dutch.
 
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So terrorism is all about instilling fear in people. The media and the government should have simply downplayed this incident. We are just giving them an incentive to strike again if we make a big deal out of it.

No doubt...the more we lose freedoms in the interest in so called safety the more we let these idiots win...
 
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The UK The Independent is reporting that it was PETN. If so they were darn lucky.
 
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I'm sure those who come up with these rules will happy abide by them on their flights from the west to the east when holding for WX an being told it's the last hour of the flight.
 
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Clearly there's only ONE solution that can work: Assign one Sky Marshall per passenger on every flight.
 
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Detroit explosive common, easily detectible

By PAMELA HESS and EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 3 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The explosive device used by the would-be Detroit bomber contained a widely available — and easily detected — chemical explosive that has a long history of terrorist use, according to government officials and explosive experts.

The chemical — PETN — is small, powerful and appealing to terrorists. The Saudi government said it was used in an assassination attempt on the country's counterterrorism operations chief in August.

It was also a component of the explosive that Richard Reid, the convicted "shoe bomber," used in his 2001 attempt to down an airliner.

PETN was widely used in the plastic explosives terrorists used to blow up airplanes in the 1970s and 1980s.

Investigators say Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab hid an explosive device on his body when he traveled from Amsterdam to Detroit. They say PETN was hidden in a condom or condom-like bag just below his torso.

Abdulmutallab also had a syringe filled with liquid. One law enforcement official said the second part of the explosive concoction used in the Christmas Day incident is still being tested but appears to be a glycol-based liquid explosive.

PETN is the primary ingredient in detonating cords used for industrial explosions and can be collected by scraping the insides of the wire, said James Crippin, a Colorado explosives expert. It's also used in military devices and found in blasting caps. It's the high explosive of choice because it is stable and safe to handle, but it requires a primary explosive to detonate it, he said.

Crippin and law enforcement officials said modern airport screening machines could have detected the chemical. Airport "puffer" machines — the devices that blow air onto a passenger to collect and analyze residues — would probably have detected the powder, as would bomb-sniffing dogs or a hands-on search using a swab.

However, most passengers in airports only go through magnetometers, which detect metal rather than explosives.

Hidden in Abdulmutallab's clothing, the explosive might have also been detected by the full-body imaging scanners now making their way into airports.

But Abdulmutallab did not go through full-body imaging machines in Nigeria or Amsterdam, said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. King has been briefed on the investigation.
Both airports have body scanners. The Amsterdam airport has had a long reputation for good security, King said, while Nigeria's airports have been more of a concern.

The U.S. provided full-body scanners to all four international airports in Nigeria, according to the State Department. The scanners were installed in March, May and June of 2008.

Abdulmutallab was on a broad U.S. terrorist watch list but he was not designated for special screening measures or placed on a no-fly list because of a dearth of specific information about his activities, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Sunday. She said he was properly screened before getting on the aircraft in Amsterdam.

The Saudi Arabia assassination attempt was carried out by a Saudi who was on the country's list of 85 most wanted terrorists. The bomber was believed to have traveled to Yemen to connect with the al-Qaida franchise there. The bomber died in the explosion.

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Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett contributed to this article.
 
Re: Passenger attempts to blow up Northwest Airlines flight.

Oooh, I guess I'd better put some money in GE too offset the slaughter I'm going to take for forgetting to sell my Delta stock last week.
 
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Well, MSNBC is saying: "BREAKING NEWS: FBI responds to reported hijacking attempt on jet inbound to Detroit Airport"

Fox is saying: well, there's some hunt for someone named Sarah.

Fox is always late with CORRECT news reporting. Also, always lying on other news organizations.
 
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Oooh, I guess I'd better put some money in GE too offset the slaughter I'm going to take for forgetting to sell my Delta stock last week.

Man you still have stock in Southernjets?? I remember when I worked there everyday at work I would watch the stock go lower and lower and lower....yikes.
 
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Well, they gave us some last year and I just sat on it.
 
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Aside from a secondary screening at the gate, it was pretty much business as usual on the flight I just got off. Not even a mention of the 'nothing in your lap' rule.
 
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I just heard from my buddy and another issues has happened again. Same flight again. This time a Nigerian man locked himself in the bathroom, apparently ill....Likely story IMO...I think we are being tested..
 
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I got to fly yyz-ewr the morning after. It took over 3 hours to board, and they were dead serious. Nothing under the seats, nothing in your lap, no electronics etc. Any person in violation was to be written handeler as disruptive, and if they didn't respond to the fa's immeadiatly, treated as a threat to the aircraft. Laugh now, but international travel just got jacked.

I still, would trust that dog more than any of the other measures.
 
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I got to fly yyz-ewr the morning after. It took over 3 hours to board, and they were dead serious. Nothing under the seats, nothing in your lap, no electronics etc. .....I still, would trust that dog more than any of the other measures.

BUT....the dude who lit his groin on fire would have passed that inspection with flying colors!!!! Personally, I think that the TSA and all the other security-theater needs to go away.

Here's a plan that would actually work: 2 Federales with sub-machine guns, a backscatter machine and a vicious-looking/slightly-rabid guard dog is all we need at checkpoints.

The first person with a concealed package in their pants or skirt gets a warning shot in the foot. After that, deadly force on all other violators will be allowed.

All security areas will be outfitted to look and work like your average abattoir so that the messes are easier to clean. The bodies can be used to fertilize the potted plants by the drop-off areas.
 
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BUT....the dude who lit his groin on fire would have passed that inspection with flying colors!!!! Personally, I think that the TSA and all the other security-theater needs to go away.

Here's a plan that would actually work: 2 Federales with sub-machine guns, a backscatter machine and a vicious-looking/slightly-rabid guard dog is all we need at checkpoints.

The first person with a concealed package in their pants or skirt gets a warning shot in the foot. After that, deadly force on all other violators will be allowed.

All security areas will be outfitted to look and work like your average abattoir so that the messes are easier to clean. The bodies can be used to fertilize the potted plants by the drop-off areas.

A Slaughterhouse is a bit much...
 
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BUT....the dude who lit his groin on fire would have passed that inspection with flying colors!!!! Personally, I think that the TSA and all the other security-theater needs to go away.

Actually, he'd have been caught fairly easily. However, the most sure way to avoid thorough screening these days is to look as much as possible like a muslim terrorist.
 
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Actually, he'd have been caught fairly easily. However, the most sure way to avoid thorough screening these days is to look as much as possible like a muslim terrorist.

What does a Muslim look like? If I may ask? :popcorn:
 
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