CaptainChris87
New Member
I would first try to wake him to see if hes alright, check pulse, declare an emergency, then land the plane myself, without telling the WHOLE truth to my passangers.
Pass out... what would you do?
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kellwolf
Piece of Trash
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without telling the whole truth to the pax? why?
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This is where you discreetly ask the FAs to help ya out. If you tell the pax the captain passed out, people will start screaming "Oh my god, we're gonna crash!" If you tell pax that a warning light burned out on the panel, I guarantee ya that some of them will scream the same thing.
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what if you need 2 people to land the plane?
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Any jumpseaters on board? Company people first, then start looking for off line pilots. Go down the priority list from there. I seriously doubt that they'd make it all the way down to my private pilot w/ instrument butt sitting in row 18 seat C.
without telling the whole truth to the pax? why?
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This is where you discreetly ask the FAs to help ya out. If you tell the pax the captain passed out, people will start screaming "Oh my god, we're gonna crash!" If you tell pax that a warning light burned out on the panel, I guarantee ya that some of them will scream the same thing.
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what if you need 2 people to land the plane?
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Any jumpseaters on board? Company people first, then start looking for off line pilots. Go down the priority list from there. I seriously doubt that they'd make it all the way down to my private pilot w/ instrument butt sitting in row 18 seat C.
The CA needs medical attention! If the cockpit is large enough to accomodate it, this can be given up front. However it is advisable (and procedure) to relocate them to a more accessable area in the cabin. Preferable a galley or such where he's not blocking an exit (if possible).
I think most F/Os are perfectly capable of landing the a/c on their own. This is not SOP, but these are not Standard Operating Conditions either! Of course take advantage of any jumpseaters or commuting pilots, but it would take more time to orient a non-airline pilot to what's going on than it would be for the F/O to just land the plane by himself.
As for what to tell the pax, they're going to see the CA being removed from the cockpit, and they're going to wonder why you've stopped right away on the runway while paramedics drive up in an ambulance to remove the CA! You tell the pax what is going on, and explain that although one pilot is indeed, sick and unable to perform his duties, that's why we have two person crews, and everything will be just fine! We'll be landing at the nearest suitable airport. Just like any gravely sick person onboard, we want the CA to get the medical attention he needs ASAP!
I believe I responded to this post earlier, and honestly haven't re-read the original post to refresh myself to the details. But please let's remember this CA is in need of medical attention! I wouldn't let him just sit there in his seat until all pax are ignorantly off the airplane at the scheduled destination just because you didn't want to tell the pax what was going on!
I think most F/Os are perfectly capable of landing the a/c on their own. This is not SOP, but these are not Standard Operating Conditions either! Of course take advantage of any jumpseaters or commuting pilots, but it would take more time to orient a non-airline pilot to what's going on than it would be for the F/O to just land the plane by himself.
As for what to tell the pax, they're going to see the CA being removed from the cockpit, and they're going to wonder why you've stopped right away on the runway while paramedics drive up in an ambulance to remove the CA! You tell the pax what is going on, and explain that although one pilot is indeed, sick and unable to perform his duties, that's why we have two person crews, and everything will be just fine! We'll be landing at the nearest suitable airport. Just like any gravely sick person onboard, we want the CA to get the medical attention he needs ASAP!
I believe I responded to this post earlier, and honestly haven't re-read the original post to refresh myself to the details. But please let's remember this CA is in need of medical attention! I wouldn't let him just sit there in his seat until all pax are ignorantly off the airplane at the scheduled destination just because you didn't want to tell the pax what was going on!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
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I believe I responded to this post earlier, and honestly haven't re-read the original post to refresh myself to the details. But please let's remember this CA is in need of medical attention! I wouldn't let him just sit there in his seat until all pax are ignorantly off the airplane at the scheduled destination just because you didn't want to tell the pax what was going on!
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On the other hand, he doesn have more seniority than me. I'd me moving up the ladder. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Good point, though on the medical attention.
I believe I responded to this post earlier, and honestly haven't re-read the original post to refresh myself to the details. But please let's remember this CA is in need of medical attention! I wouldn't let him just sit there in his seat until all pax are ignorantly off the airplane at the scheduled destination just because you didn't want to tell the pax what was going on!
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On the other hand, he doesn have more seniority than me. I'd me moving up the ladder. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Good point, though on the medical attention.
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without telling the whole truth to the pax? why?
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They can't handle the truth!!!!!!!!
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This is where you discreetly ask the FAs to help ya out.
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I don't know about that.........I mean, if it's anyone other than Amber.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
without telling the whole truth to the pax? why?
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They can't handle the truth!!!!!!!!
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This is where you discreetly ask the FAs to help ya out.
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I don't know about that.........I mean, if it's anyone other than Amber.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
Grab the cash from his wallet first. We all now the Captains are loaded.
coldsolderjoint
New Member
if a student pilot ended up as PIC of an airliner, would they be leagally able to log PIC mutiengine turbine time? even though they dont have a pilots license nor a type rating and that they would be talking to people on the ground for directions on how to land the plane?
PaulThomas
New Member
The only time a student pilot can log PIC is when he's solo or when he's taking his checkride (your first pass is the DE) by the FAR.
The only way he could become PIC by the FAR is if's with a DE or everyone jumped out of the plane
(for both of these he needs an endorsement from a CFI)
Now if both pilots were to become incapacited, he may have to act as PIC, but could he log it? Not by the FAR, but then again I don't think anyone would say anything if he brings the plane back down safely.
The only way he could become PIC by the FAR is if's with a DE or everyone jumped out of the plane
Now if both pilots were to become incapacited, he may have to act as PIC, but could he log it? Not by the FAR, but then again I don't think anyone would say anything if he brings the plane back down safely.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
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Now if both pilots were to become incapacited, he may have to act as PIC, but could he log it? Not by the FAR, but then again I don't think anyone would say anything if he brings the plane back down safely.
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I don't know. Leave it to the FAA to violate him for flying the plane with pax while still a student pilot.....
Now if both pilots were to become incapacited, he may have to act as PIC, but could he log it? Not by the FAR, but then again I don't think anyone would say anything if he brings the plane back down safely.
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I don't know. Leave it to the FAA to violate him for flying the plane with pax while still a student pilot.....
mtsu_av8er
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Now if both pilots were to become incapacited, he may have to act as PIC, but could he log it? Not by the FAR, but then again I don't think anyone would say anything if he brings the plane back down safely.
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I don't know. Leave it to the FAA to violate him for flying the plane with pax while still a student pilot.....
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Yeah, but it would be cool at an interview!!
"Have you ever been violated?"
"Well, there was this time..."
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Now if both pilots were to become incapacited, he may have to act as PIC, but could he log it? Not by the FAR, but then again I don't think anyone would say anything if he brings the plane back down safely.
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I don't know. Leave it to the FAA to violate him for flying the plane with pax while still a student pilot.....
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Yeah, but it would be cool at an interview!!
"Have you ever been violated?"
"Well, there was this time..."
supercell86
New Member
two questions.....one for f/a's, what if both pilots passed out, what would you do?? and what if your a single pilot.....should what you eat be considered on the checklist?? this always concerns me when i fly solo, thats why i always like to take a safety pilot with me, incase for some reason i decide to pass out, even though im legally checked out by the FAA medical examiners.
IndianaPilot
Well-Known Member
How about an ill passenger ? Do airline crews have certain criteria for determining whether or not an emergency landing is warranted ? For example, obviously chest pain, cardiac arrest, or difficulty breathing would be true emergencies, but what about other medical complaints that are borderline, say for example a diabetic not feeling well, or asthma attack, or extreme nausea and vomiting ?
IndianaPilot
Well-Known Member
LOL yes John I know i'm a paramedic !! I mean your general, everyday, asthmatic that is wheezing, but still breathing !!
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Eh, not an attack. Being tight and having to take a few hits off an alberatol (sp again) inhaler doesn't mean much. Most people probably wouldn't know the different, though.
<--- Career asthmatic, diagnosed at 14 months with CF...three times, then they finally figured out it was asthma. Been around this game for a while
<--- Career asthmatic, diagnosed at 14 months with CF...three times, then they finally figured out it was asthma. Been around this game for a while
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
In the 727, it might be more dangerous to try to drag an unconcious pilot out of the seat. I'd simply lock the shoulder harness, pull him off the yoke (get somebody to help if necessary) and recline the seat. That way he's not in the way of anything, and we can get to the business of putting the airplane on the ground. The important factor here is not closest airport, or even closest airport "in time," but the closest airport with appropriate medical response capability.
Quite a few airplanes can't be taxied from the right seat (beyond gradual turns), so I'd consider stopping straight ahead. Other than that, much can be said about flying from the seat you're already comfortable in. Just condsider it your leg, but nobody's gonna take it on the rollout.
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