Oh United

I liked United better when it was Continental and based in Houston.
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jhugz said:
Unfortunately we have a group of women at United that are doing their very best to set women aviators back. They need to retire already so that the real women aviators can step up and lead in the profession while they sit back, pick up DWI’s, and storm the capital in retirement.
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One of the biggest learnings I’ve had managing female employees is that they face no wrath quite like the wrath they’re subjected to by other women in the office. Particularly older women who feel they’re getting perks and benefits that weren’t available to them. Which is why I found myself as a 35 year old mid level manager having to defend my employee getting 15-minute breast pumping breaks to a more senior female director in her 60s.
 
Murdoughnut said:
One of the biggest learnings I’ve had managing female employees is that they face no wrath quite like the wrath they’re subjected to by other women in the office. Particularly older women who feel they’re getting perks and benefits that weren’t available to them. Which is why I found myself as a 35 year old mid level manager having to defend my employee getting 15-minute breast pumping breaks to a more senior female director in her 60s.
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Yeah, this is a real thing, for sure. It's not universal, but it's pretty powerful. It's going to sound cliche, but this is effectively the cycle of abuse propagating from the patriarchy. I can explain further if anyone is curious, but in a nutshell, women hold each other to (much) higher standards than they hold male colleagues. Some dudes think that it's because they feel "threatened" by other women, but it's actually more sinister than that. It's a response to being raised with subtly—but pervasively—unequal power and prospects. It's absolutely nuts—on women's aviation fora, you find questions like "I only have a double masters. Do you think I'm qualified for a regional job, or should I go back for a PhD?" Meanwhile the dudes are like "Yo dawg, I've got a hundred hours and am about to solo, I can fly ur jet better than you."

There's a lot of cultural toxicity to unpack.

I don't think humans are ready.
 
🦈💜 said:
Yeah, this is a real thing, for sure. It's not universal, but it's pretty powerful. It's going to sound cliche, but this is effectively the cycle of abuse propagating from the patriarchy. I can explain further if anyone is curious, but in a nutshell, women hold each other to (much) higher standards than they hold male colleagues. Some dudes think that it's because they feel "threatened" by other women, but it's actually more sinister than that. It's a response to being raised with subtly—but pervasively—unequal power and prospects. It's absolutely nuts—on women's aviation fora, you find questions like "I only have a double masters. Do you think I'm qualified for a regional job, or should I go back for a PhD?" Meanwhile the dudes are like "Yo dawg, I've got a hundred hours and am about to solo, I can fly ur jet better than you."

There's a lot of cultural toxicity to unpack.

I don't think humans are ready.
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I honestly don’t think it’s that at all. It’s people entwining politics so deeply into their DNA that they identify as a Trumper first before their sex, religion, and race. They throw all the later parts of identity out the window and embrace the politics part above all even at the detriment of the later. It’s really a wild social experiment that should be studied deeper.
 
jhugz said:
I honestly don’t think it’s that at all. It’s people entwining politics so deeply into their DNA that they identify as a Trumper first before their sex, religion, and race. They throw all the later parts of identity out the window and embrace the politics part above all even at the detriment of the later. It’s really a wild social experiment that should be studied deeper.
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What was it before Trump was a thing, cause this been around well before he was ever president
 
jhugz said:
I honestly don’t think it’s that at all. It’s people entwining politics so deeply into their DNA that they identify as a Trumper first before their sex, religion, and race. They throw all the later parts of identity out the window and embrace the politics part above all even at the detriment of the later. It’s really a wild social experiment that should be studied deeper.
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It's probably a better offline conversation but my observation from 'outside' that bubble is that it's not merely politics; the 'sisterhood' are pretty goddamn mean to one another on various occasions and for various other reasons.
 
Sculprit said:
Heard SkyWest request one on clearance on Thursday while we were requesting a 28 dept.
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We have a guy in my squadron, Ukrainian by birth, who once briefed a flight of a couple of our jets leaving Fallon about the Bay Tour. I wasn’t in the brief, but he has a pretty heavy accent, and by all accounts, it was basically “we do low approach (at Moffett), we clean up, we fly over bay, we turn, we come home. Questions?” They notably were not flight violated and landed without incident. I seriously doubt any one of them had even the most rudimentary chart depicting what the actual profile is supposed to be (I was somewhat familiar having been a Fallon guy at one point, where we did this pretty regularly). Which is more than another one of our back seaters can say, as one of the eastern WA sky penis artists :)
 
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