Oh United

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I guess starting and getting furloughed is better than nothing. Maybe I’m just pessimistic, but I don’t see how the airlines weather this without shedding huge amounts of expenses. I’m 65% up a list and I’m concerned for my job security.

The only real hope is a government bailout. If the government throws a few billion dollars at the airlines, AND they manage the rest of the pandemic reasonably well, they may be able to avoid mass furloughs and bankruptcies. But I don’t see how ALL of the airlines aren’t in bankruptcy by the summer if they don’t get money and fast.

 

[Seggy]

The only real hope is a government bailout.

Funny, all these conservative airline pilots who despise socialism, hoping for socialism to save them from being furloughed. The hypocrisy is stunning.

 

[tcco94]

Funny, all these conservative airline pilots who despise socialism, hoping for socialism to save them from being furloughed. The hypocrisy is stunning.

Credit to @NovemberEcho for saying it. And Seg man for repeating it. #LavatoryBan

 

[Seggy]

Credit to @NovemberEcho for saying it. And Seg man for repeating it. #LavatoryBan

Are you posting anything constructive? Or just attacking the messenger for telling the truth instead of the fake news you hear?

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Funny, all these conservative airline pilots who despise socialism, hoping for socialism to save them from being furloughed. The hypocrisy is stunning.

I think EVERYONE will be a Keynesian before the year is out. The question is how we stop this mess without creating runaway inflation.

 

[tcco94]

Are you posting anything constructive? Or just attacking the messenger for telling the truth instead of the fake news you hear?

Literally @NovemberEcho said the same exact thing yesterday. What "fake news" do I hear? Just getting so tired of any conservation being derailed by you bringing up politics again. We get it man. Orange cheetos caused this and we are all gonna pay the consequences. You've only said it in 15 separate threads like a broken record player.

 

[Seggy]

Literally @NovemberEcho said the same exact thing yesterday. What "fake news" do I hear? Just getting so tired of any conservation being derailed by you bringing up politics again. We get it man. Orange cheetos caused this and we are all gonna pay the consequences. You've only said it in 15 separate threads like a broken record player.

Once again, politics are playing a part in this due to the lack of response from Trump. So I don't give a damn about what you feel or if you are pissy at me for reciting facts.

 

[tcco94]

Once again, politics are playing a part in this due to the lack of response from Trump. So I don't give a damn about what you feel or if you are pissy at me for reciting facts.

Okay, bud. You do you.

Don't forget the CFI thread, we need to get this information out there. Lots of threads. So little time.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Once again, politics are playing a part in this due to the lack of response from Trump. So I don't give a damn about what you feel or if you are pissy at me for reciting facts.

A part? No part of this mess isn’t his fault. What’s amazing is that I predicted an apocalypse when he was elected, and he’s somehow managed to create a situation even worse than I ever could have imagined.

 

[BigZ]

A part? No part of this mess isn’t his fault. What’s amazing is that I predicted an apocalypse when he was elected, and he’s somehow managed to create a situation even worse than I ever could have imagined.

Aaaand the rest of the world is doing So. Much. Better.

Here's a thing - and I said it before when this whole mess was just starting - go send a thank you note to the chinese for locking down the place as soon and as tight as they did.
There would be millions more deaths around the world if they didn't.
It's a forest fire as is, would have been a shockwave otherwise.
Now it's up to the Europeans to slow down the spread as much as they can or they are effed, and same goes for us.
Can you do anything at all to make things right? Nope. Well then, how about shutting up and following the recommended procedures?

 

[DE727UPS]

But....the Chinese started it... Thank you note?

 

[Roger Roger]

The world isn’t black and white. It’s entirely possible for “the Chinese bumbled the initial response” and “once they overcame bureaucratic inertia and image-preservation instinct they pulled off what may go down in history as the most incredible mass medical response ever” to both be true. There’s a lesson there for us....

 

[Roger Roger]

Aaaand the rest of the world is doing So. Much. Better.

Here's a thing - and I said it before when this whole mess was just starting - go send a thank you note to the chinese for locking down the place as soon and as tight as they did.
There would be millions more deaths around the world if they didn't.
It's a forest fire as is, would have been a shockwave otherwise.
Now it's up to the Europeans to slow down the spread as much as they can or they are effed, and same goes for us.
Can you do anything at all to make things right? Nope. Well then, how about shutting up and following the recommended procedures?

I’m liking @Seggy and @SlumTodd_Millionaire posts and agreeing with you. This really is a sign of the coming apocalypse isn’t it?

 

[Deleted member 27505]

Aaaand the rest of the world is doing So. Much. Better.

Here's a thing - and I said it before when this whole mess was just starting - go send a thank you note to the chinese for locking down the place as soon and as tight as they did.
There would be millions more deaths around the world if they didn't.
It's a forest fire as is, would have been a shockwave otherwise.
Now it's up to the Europeans to slow down the spread as much as they can or they are effed, and same goes for us.
Can you do anything at all to make things right? Nope. Well then, how about shutting up and following the recommended procedures?

Eventually... after it became too large to hide.

This camp fire turned into a forest fire because the Chinese -for political reasons- initially denied and suppressed vital (npi) information and the doctors who were trying to publish it.

And, to this day, we have little confirmed information about the state of affairs in China or what they know or don't know about this virus.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Funny, all these conservative airline pilots who despise socialism, hoping for socialism to save them from being furloughed. The hypocrisy is stunning.

No.

The government is banning airlines from operating in key areas of the world. That is directly causing financial harm. You wanna do that, then:

1. Re-regulate airlines like Make it pre-1978, or
2. Make the airlines whole for causing the financial harm by forbidding them to operate services.

Why can’t you crazy libs see that?

Now if we were just fat dumb and happy and the Dow market at 30k and all of a sudden United asked for $1 billion and the government gave it to them for no reason, then I’d join your battle cry.

But not here.

The government has created this mess. The media has fueled the mass hysteria. No one is traveling.

 

[Deleted member 27505]

No.

The government is banning airlines from operating in key areas of the world. That is directly causing financial harm. You wanna do that, then:

1. Re-regulate airlines like Make it pre-1978, or
2. Make the airlines whole for causing the financial harm by forbidding them to operate services.

Why can’t you crazy libs see that?

Now if we were just fat dumb and happy and the Dow market at 30k and all of a sudden United asked for $1 billion and the government gave it to them for no reason, then I’d join your battle cry.

But not here.

The government has created this mess. The media has fueled the mass hysteria. No one is traveling.

Maybe it's because route flights have been curtailed, but many folks I've talked to who flew yesterday and today have reported "almost full" planes, and "bustling airports". At Denver tonight, the intra-terminal train failed resulting in large crowds of Pax and packed train cars.

As a general assumption, I attribute bad stuff to incompetence rather than malicious machinations. After watching months of apathy, incompetence, and the promulgation of outright lies in our nation's response to covid-19, I'm starting to rethink my assumption in this case.

 

[BigZ]

Eventually... after it became too large to hide.

This camp fire turned into a forest fire because the Chinese -for political reasons- initially denied and suppressed vital (npi) information and the doctors who were trying to publish it.

And, to this day, we have little confirmed information about the state of affairs in China or what they know or don't know about this virus.

There's always people who don't want to do the extra paperwork and people who know that measures must be taken. That's an international and timeless phenomenon.

 

[Deleted member 27505]

There's always people who don't want to do the extra paperwork and people who know that measures must be taken. That's an international and timeless phenomenon.

I don't disagree. But that's not what I said, and you know that's not what I'm talking about.

Your response ^above^ is more indicative of what I'm talking about. To wit: intentionally deflecting folk's attention away from the elephant in the room; from the serious problem to some lesser, more commonly suffered one, like the DMV.

 

[BigZ]

I don't disagree. But that's not what I said, and you know that's not what I'm talking about.

Your response ^above^ is more indicative of what I'm talking about. To wit: intentionally deflecting folk's attention away from the elephant in the room; from the serious problem to some lesser, more commonly suffered one, like the DMV.

One side of the spectrum is a random doctor that happened to come across the disease first and wasn't able to make his voice heard at the time. Moreover told to stfu for whatever the reason might be.
On the other side of the spectrum is Dr. Victoria Dunckley and her Electronic Screen Syndrome.
Write it up to cultural differences. Being familiar with both sides, neither surprises me.

No need to demonize the Chinese (or Russians, or Republicans, or whoever happens to be the flavor of the month). It's all just people.
I do have a story though. It's a condensed version reprint

Famous Soviet poster artist Alexei Kokorekin travelled to India in 1959. After returning home, he felt unwell, and was taken to the Botkin Hospital, where he died.

His disease was not diagnosed immediately: in India, the artist contracted smallpox, which was eradicated in the USSR in 1936. Intelligence agencies found out all potential contacts of the deceased man. There were about nine thousand of them. One thousand people with the highest risk of infection were isolated in the Botkin Hospital, and almost the entire population of Moscow (at that time more than six million people) was urgently vaccinated.

Smallpox outbreak was localised in 19 days, with 46 people falling ill, and 3 people died of smallpox — a receptionist in a thrift store (where Kokorekin's relatives handed over the things he had brought from India), a nurse in the infectious diseases building and an infectious disease physician.

Reading the above, can you picture same response here and now?

 

[Deleted member 27505]

One side of the spectrum is a random doctor that happened to come across the disease first and wasn't able to make his voice heard at the time. Moreover told to stfu for whatever the reason might be.
On the other side of the spectrum is Dr. Victoria Dunckley and her Electronic Screen Syndrome.
Write it up to cultural differences. Being familiar with both sides, neither surprises me.

No need to demonize the Chinese (or Russians, or Republicans, or whoever happens to be the flavor of the month). It's all just people.
I do have a story though. It's a condensed version reprint


Reading the above, can you picture same response here and now?

And the double down. I guess there are some who are hoping Vegas doesn't close down.

Soooo... my original statement - the one that got lost in the deflections - was:
"This camp fire turned into a forest fire because the Chinese -for political reasons- initially denied and suppressed vital (npi) information and the doctors who were trying to publish it."

1. I'm not demonizing the Chinese. I am demonizing authoritarian regimes - of any flavor, Chinese, Russian, "Republicans" (the obvious ones), or the flavor of the month - who put perceived benefits to their own regimes' political agendas ahead of the good of the world's people.

2. Cultural differences?!? This is science, son. Science don't abide no culture (see, I said that, er, "culturally")

3. Dr. Victoria Dunckley?? What the heck? Phish hook?? (a Google search elicits a page much of whose content is blocked due to my security settings)

4. I can imagine - and hope for - a similar reaction now. See my many posts about Milwaukee's response to the "Spanish" Flu (Do you know WHY the 1917-1918 Flu was dubbed the "Spanish" Flu?? The answer is very à propos now, 100+ years later.)

5-ish. BTW, it was NOT precisely eradicated in the USSR. They "secured" it in several labs... just in case "it was ever needed" (years ago, I happened to visit one of those labs)

6 - 29. Just so we don't forget what the point was:
"This camp fire turned into a forest fire because the Chinese -for political reasons- initially denied and suppressed vital (npi) information and the doctors who were trying to publish it."