Oh United LLXXXVIII
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Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
To be a fly on the wall when they came up with this.
Oof.
The problem with education is the futher away from an event, the less emotional baggage younger people carry into it.
So the big joke in my culture was that MLK day would eventually be a “Come pick up your new F250 during MLK weekend, do your barbecues in style with the rugged Ford F250…”
So you and I carry reverence for 9/11, but the person who basically posted a spat-out generative AI result probably either wasn’t alive or was wrecking diapers around the time of 9/11. We’re all aghast, but to Gen Z and younger, it’s not that big of a deal.
We do a crappy job at teaching history in America. Meanwhile, the funny expressions people have when I tell them that my great grandfather was owned and didn’t have freedom until he was six.
Karnage
I-am-a-pirate. I do not need credentials!
Was just talking about this with a friend. Despite a few recent long overnights in NYC I’ve never gone down to ground zero. Not because I don’t want to, but I’m still at the point where I’d probably get within site of it and collapse sobbing uncontrollably.
I had an FO one year at SkyWheezy who one night while we were on a trip went out for drinks. It was close to 9/11 (or maybe even on the day) and there were clips from it on the news. He says something to me about watching a documentary on it and I’ve already disassociated from seeing the clip and keeps bringing it up no matter how many times I change the subject. Finally I break down and literally walk him damned near minute by minute of that day from the instant my friend Stephen called me and told me to turn on the news, to watching the second plane crash into the tower, and so on. Eventually somewhere around my telling him the mood when I walked into work at the airport somewhere around day four of the shutdown he finally stopped me to tell me that he was three when it happened and had no idea how it affected people.
Yeah, like that… or something.
I was stuck in BOS for a week. Whenever they were after OBL's brother, or cousin or whatever, I could hear the sirens out of my window and literally watch it on the national news.
I had a friend that was one of the murdered pilots and the way we made a cartoon out of the event that lead to his death just taught me all I needed to know.
America will largely resort to 9/11 mattress sales, happy hour specials and "Come on down to your local (Genpop auto dealership) for an attractive offer during our 'Crazy 911 Days' sell-a-thon" and go bomb brown people.
I had a friend that was one of the murdered pilots and the way we made a cartoon out of the event that lead to his death just taught me all I needed to know.
America will largely resort to 9/11 mattress sales, happy hour specials and "Come on down to your local (Genpop auto dealership) for an attractive offer during our 'Crazy 911 Days' sell-a-thon" and go bomb brown people.
phill1174
Well-Known Member
If we truly resorted to teaching history in this country that would mean acknowledging A LOT of atrocities. Instead society just puts lipstick on our heinous past and resort to celebrations on some days under the guise of patriotism, acceptance or whatever they spin it as.
We tend to ignore/hide history that’s shameful. I grew up in Oklahoma and we (all Oklahomans) were never taught about the Osage Indian Massacres of the early 20th century, nor the destruction of Tulsa’s Black Wall Street in 1921. How can we hope to be better in the future if we hide terrible acts in the past?
Roger Roger
I am le tired
Not sure how prevalent this is in my age group, but as someone whose late teen and early adult years were dominated by 9/11 and the fallout, the whole “Never Forget!” Thing rings kind of hollow as it’s overshadowed by stuff that came out of it like the massive surveillance state, never-ending foreign wars, trillions in deficit spending to finance the above, performative “patriotism” (freedom fries!!!) and a complete and utter lack of learning about the consequences of meddling in the Middle East (as evidenced by our continuing support for Israel and the Iran morass). So yeah, I’m pretty jaded about the flag waving and the 25th anniversary.
Roger Roger
I am le tired
Example #1,384:
People getting mad about immigration from Latin America when this is a thing: United States involvement in regime change in Latin America - Wikipedia
The infuriating thing is how far the country is trying to move in the opposite direction. I absolutely cannot stand the argument that gets tossed out that "my kids feel guilty because they learned about slavery!" I feel like it's incredibly easy to teach difficult history from an angle of "our country did some things we shouldn't be proud of, here's how we improved and how we can still do better."
SeanD
Well-Known Member
I believe this is how Germany teaches the history of WW II instead of ignoring it. They talk about the rise and fall of fascism and the major role Germany played in it all and how they improved. We should take note of how other countries teach history instead of the patriotic bubble method of "We are the best and greatest".
On a side note. There is still something about the accepted events of 9/11 that has always felt a little off to me. I'm not referring to that looney truther conspiracy movement. I have questions that I know I'll likely never get answers to but that's ok I suppose.
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Roger Roger
I am le tired
Except now Germany is backlashing too.
Roger Roger
I am le tired
The dumbest •in thing
Sadly with the rise of AfD and the far right over there I feel like the point being made of events losing their impact the farther we move from them is just as relevant as what this thread was discussing earlier.
As if feeling • about slavery is a bad thing.
FlyingAccountant
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I'm sure some 25 year old Ivy league MBA thought it was a fantastic idea.....
DropTank
Well-Known Member
Somebody translated the copyright dates on old Tom and Jerry cartoons.....
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
Looks like it’s CXd. Hopefully someone is pay protected
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9-11 is about remembering the day the world was turned upside down by religious extremists who killed people in our profession and using the aircraft to kill thousands of innocent people who had just showed up to work like any other day. Its ok to wave the flag.