Oh Lufthansa….or Oh SFO controllers?

When ORD closed the 14/32 parallels I remember a pretty windy day with winds out of the south gusting to 30 or 35. AA called up and said “we require 14R to land” and the controller just said “say alternate.” They replied with St. Louis or something and the controller replied “turn right direct St. Louis.”

I guess that’s a no?
 
bLizZuE said:
When ORD closed the 14/32 parallels I remember a pretty windy day with winds out of the south gusting to 30 or 35. AA called up and said “we require 14R to land” and the controller just said “say alternate.” They replied with St. Louis or something and the controller replied “turn right direct St. Louis.”

I guess that’s a no?
Click to expand...
Wasn’t there an AA flight into JFK that didn’t like the winds so he just declared an emergency and said he was coming in get everyone else out of the way?
 
I think the Lufthansa crew handled that in a civil, albeit expensive, fashion. Plenty of time to discuss ATC’s service with lawyers and c-suites afterward.

DLH458 is MUC-SFO on an A359
 
I am based at SFO, I have personal friends who are tower controllers at SFO. You have a heavy international jet that has been on its way to SFO for what, 10+ hours? This is absolutely rediculous during visual approaches that you can't vector somebody for the ILS in 20+ minutes of vectors.
 
Inverted said:
I am based at SFO, I have personal friends who are tower controllers at SFO. You have a heavy international jet that has been on its way to SFO for what, 10+ hours? This is absolutely rediculous during visual approaches that you can't vector somebody for the ILS in 20+ minutes of vectors.
Click to expand...
Yup 11:30 usual block time I believe. Almost 12. And coming in to land at night nonetheless.
 
We are heading into a really scary time. Controllers are all being pushed to the breaking point all across the country. We are seeing more and more ATC outbursts on freq, more and more near misses, and runway incursions. We are also seeing controllers that are not going to bend over backward to accommodate, and I support them in that effort as the FAA is crushing the national ATC system and people. My controller friends at major class B airports are working 12+ hour days, 6 days a week.

I really hope we see some change here soon as I fear that we are going to see something really bad happen...
 
A few weeks ago coming into 28r on one of the charted visuals, norcal kept us at 3k until Axmul at which they cleared us for the approach. Captain called for the go around and when tower asked us for the reason I qued up and said norcal kept us high. Tower was like, “yea they been doing that a lot lately.”

Like @Inverted said, these folks are getting worked super hard and hoesntly I can’t blame them. Hopefully a fix is found before we reach a catastrophic braking point.
 
Oh, don't worry, this isn't going to be limited to aviation as the administrative state (or "deep state", if you're an effing nut) is slowly asphyxiated. Decent chance you'll die in a bridge collapse or be carjacked on the way to the airport and dodge the inevitable airplane crash! Rest easy.
 
tcco94 said:
These SFO controllers are becoming an alarming trend. Like wtf is going on over there? Although I grew up in the Bay Area and I hated it too. But really - these guys and the gal on the ground sucks
Click to expand...
I dread when SFO shows up on my bid award now. Used to love it, but it seems like NorCal in that area has gotten worse and worse. Weird and crappy vectors every time.
 
I mean, if a plane can’t accept a visual at night, likely due to company restrictions, how hard is it to clear them for an ILS or other approach with vertical guidance to the same runway they would’ve done the visual to anyway? Doesn’t seem like it would be a heavy lift to accommodate, at least from the cheap seats here.
 
MikeD said:
I mean, if a plane can’t accept a visual at night, likely due to company restrictions, how hard is it to clear them for an ILS or other approach with vertical guidance to the same runway they would’ve done the visual to anyway? Doesn’t seem like it would be a heavy lift to accommodate, at least from the cheap seats here.
Click to expand...

This is exactly my point. They would have been cleared to intercept a 28 localizer and cleared for the visual. Just clear them for the ILS. Norcal always leaves you high and tight regardless if it is a visual or ILS so what does it matter? It is really confusing...

Even on the FMS Bridge Visual, you are basically flying an RNAV approach in, you just don't need the IFR spacing but you don't need IFR spacing if it is VMC...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top