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SteveC said:
You sure are big on trying to control what private companies can do lately.
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Publicly held/traded companies, not private.


zmiller4 said:
Of course they don’t have to say anything. But they do. Why do you think that might be?
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Enter the wokeness argument. Seemingly because people connect to that thinking? Like how Derg said in his years of cross divisional work, not once did politics come up. Similarly, what does an airline flying around A to B have to make statements on policing in America and the GF case? It's entirely two separate entities and topics.


There it is. You simply feel like a victim because companies have figured out that most of their customers don’t agree with you.

Try this: stop complaining and don’t spend money on Delta. I don’t tell the mypillow guy to shut up...I have no problem with him running his mouth because it lets everyone know he’s a seditious •wit. So I don’t buy his crappy pillows, but other seditious •wits will. That’s how the free market works.
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But it's not that. I choose Spirit for seeing family nonstop from LAX-DTW simply from a pricing perspective. If Delta was cheaper on that route (they never are) I would choose them. I wouldn't refuse Delta for their politics. See the difference? I'm responding as a consumer based on what works for me in terms of pricing.

Another example. Yeah yeah Sbarros is the best, but every Friday night at our house is pizza night for the kids and we get Papa Johns. That's been the tradition for years (assuming I'm off Friday). Years ago Papa Johns himself (John Schnatter) complained about football, kneeling, and in this rant he used the n-word. Now that is repulsive and a racist thing to say, and in the end he was forced to resign and is no longer in that role. Even AFTER that, there were many people who refused to to ever again buy or eat PPJ. Why? He got punished and was removed from his role. I'm not gonna stop eating this pizza because of that. And people who DO decide to stop eating at a place like ChikfilA because the owner was conservative and they suppported conservative ideas? Well these are the people who can't separate their own politics with every day life stuff. That ain't healthy. And that fault lies entirely on the individual.

And now companies are afraid if they don't proactively step up and take a stance ahead of time, they may lose customers. Cool, level headed people look past that noise and buy/book the product that works for them in terms of pricing, schedule, etc. If you can't separate your politics inside your head, and force that to make decisions on companies, then perhaps the problem is you (the customer). Not the company.

It is wokeness. Look at the dentist in Minnie who got death threats and lost MANY customers because.... wait for it.... the guy went on a hunt in Africa. (Something my father has done too, btw). Except the dentist went for large cats. Nevermind he did everything legally. Paid for all permits required and filled out all the legal paperwork. But some animal huggers had a problem with it and lo behold here we are now. Plastered him online social media, twitter, and trashed him. Put threatening notes on his office door. Luckily for my father, he went in the 90s before there was social media, facebook, instacrap, and the general need for "look at me!" It was interesting, he talked about how after hunting, nothing really went to waste. The locals ate the meat as food, the skin covering was used by the locals, and he paid big money to have the head skeleton/horns mounted and shipped out to the US. It was a win-win for the hunter and the locals.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Publicly held/traded companies, not private.




Enter the wokeness argument. Seemingly because people connect to that thinking? Like how Derg said in his years of cross divisional work, not once did politics come up. Similarly, what does an airline flying around A to B have to make statements on policing in America and the GF case? It's entirely two separate entities and topics.




But it's not that. I choose Spirit for seeing family nonstop from LAX-DTW simply from a pricing perspective. If Delta was cheaper on that route (they never are) I would choose them. I wouldn't refuse Delta for their politics. See the difference? I'm responding as a consumer based on what works for me in terms of pricing.

Another example. Yeah yeah Sbarros is the best, but every Friday night at our house is pizza night for the kids and we get Papa Johns. That's been the tradition for years (assuming I'm off Friday). Years ago Papa Johns himself (John Schnatter) complained about football, kneeling, and in this rant he used the n-word. Now that is repulsive and a racist thing to say, and in the end he was forced to resign and is no longer in that role. Even AFTER that, there were many people who refused to to ever again buy or eat PPJ. Why? He got punished and was removed from his role. I'm not gonna stop eating this pizza because of that. And people who DO decide to stop eating at a place like ChikfilA because the owner was conservative and they suppported conservative ideas? Well these are the people who can't separate their own politics with every day life stuff. That ain't healthy. And that fault lies entirely on the individual.

And now companies are afraid if they don't proactively step up and take a stance ahead of time, they may lose customers. Cool, level headed people look past that noise and buy/book the product that works for them in terms of pricing, schedule, etc. If you can't separate your politics inside your head, and force that to make decisions on companies, then perhaps the problem is you (the customer). Not the company.

It is wokeness. Look at the dentist in Minnie who got death threats and lost MANY customers because.... wait for it.... the guy went on a hunt in Africa. (Something my father has done too, btw). Except the dentist went for large cats. Nevermind he did everything legally. Paid for all permits required and filled out all the legal paperwork. But some animal huggers had a problem with it and lo behold here we are now. Plastered him online social media, twitter, and trashed him. Put threatening notes on his office door. Luckily for my father, he went in the 90s before there was social media, facebook, instacrap, and the general need for "look at me!" It was interesting, he talked about how after hunting, nothing really went to waste. The locals ate the meat as food, the skin covering was used by the locals, and he paid big money to have the head skeleton/horns mounted and shipped out to the US. It was a win-win for the hunter and the locals.
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I completely agree that the violent and inflammatory rhetoric must stop, I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on, death threats, violence, or physical disruption of commerce should not be tolerated. Like you said, what John Schnatter said was despicable, and I agree that his removal was the right decision. I do think that if people want to continue boycotting PJ’s, that’s their prerogative (although they are missing out on a good value pie).

In my opinion though, private (or public) businesses can say (or not say) whatever they want in an attempt to target whatever demographic they want. For the most part, all firm’s lone objective is to create value for their owners/shareholders, and if they choose to tackle a social issue in that pursuit of value, they are doing everything right, just as the consumer can take their business wherever.

I will add that I do struggle with the ‘witch hunts’ going on both sides right now, as I find it unacceptable to attempt to ruin people’s careers and reputations. In all cases, the dissenting side is claiming that the other side’s perceived ignorance must be a macro character flaw. In reality this ignorance by both sides could probably be solved with a few cold beverages and an open mind.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Somehow, I’m not sure people would feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot. As in, it was a conservative ideal that was praised by a company. (If the majority as defined by > 50% were okay with that).
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Corporations are people too, right?
 
Many people who read the same “newsy” articles and listen to the same pundits often confuse “publicly traded” with public entity.

Always know and understand your companies social media policy… cold.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
... Have you seen the poll numbers of people who are afraid to even mention their political affiliation simply because of fear of work related harassment or potential discrimination (being passed over promotion, etc)?
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SteveC said:
I have not - care to share?
Er, as long as it’s a legitimate poll, not a DailyMail drive-by or similar...
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SteveC said:
@Cherokee_Cruiser ???
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3rd call requesting the “...poll numbers of people who are afraid to even mention their political affiliation simply because of fear of work related harassment or potential discrimination (being passed over promotion, etc)”

@Cherokee_Cruiser
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Publicly held/traded companies, not private.
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I...don’t think you understand what being a publicly held company means.

You’re welcome to band together with your dad and buy a few hundred or thousand shares of Delta, go to the shareholders meeting, and complain about their wokeness to whoever will listen.

But I guess it’s way easier and cheaper to just complain on the internet.
 
BobDDuck said:
All the Delta "Airlines" employees? Or the actual employees that work for Delta Air Lines?
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I think ALL employees that have the word “Delta“ on their W2s Should strike. Heck, throw Delata faucet employees in the mix too!
Curious how long the company that operates the airplanes that use ATL as their main hub would last if their employees walked because they have no confidence in their leaders.
 
SteveC said:
3rd call requesting the “...poll numbers of people who are afraid to even mention their political affiliation simply because of fear of work related harassment or potential discrimination (being passed over promotion, etc)”

@Cherokee_Cruiser
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Oh you're going to be waiting a while! :)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
You never hunted growing up? Sucks. A favorite past time.
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Traveling across the world to trophy hunt a wild animal is a different sport than hunting a game animal here that is closely managed for conservation. People trophy hunt because they want to have an animal on the wall that "regular" folks cant afford to or have the opportunity to."youve got a deer?, well Ive got a Gazelle!". I dont mind hunting at all, but I am not a fan of trophy hunting. My opinion.
Back to your original point, I think its the way corporations operate now and core customers need to know that their values are inline with the business they pay money too. I dont think its always been that way, but it is now.
 
Kingairer said:
Traveling across the world to trophy hunt a wild animal is a different sport than hunting a game animal here that is closely managed for conservation. People trophy hunt because they want to have an animal on the wall that "regular" folks cant afford to or have the opportunity to."youve got a deer?, well Ive got a Gazelle!". I dont mind hunting at all, but I am not a fan of trophy hunting. My opinion.
Back to your original point, I think its the way corporations operate now and core customers need to know that their values are inline with the business they pay money too. I dont think its always been that way, but it is now.
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The animals there are closely managed too, at least they are where he went. He did doesn’t one up any hunter or tell them to look on the wall. The trip was a bunch of doc friends who went to med school together.

Anyway:

“Core customers NEED to know their values are inline with business”

Yeah. Why? They provide a service we want, and we pay them. First world country problem that we actually have many choices for a given business and can choose. But airlines? They fly A to B. And it isn’t like they are discriminating people, banning certain groups, etc. they are already fair as it is.

You’re right about one thing for sure... it wasn’t always this way, but it is now.

Go woke or go broke is the new saying for businesses. They don’t want to lose customers who value certain social issues and want to barf their views into others, including businesses they do business with. I don’t get why individuals want to barf their views into others and only do business with a company who shares their barfing of views. That is the definition of going woke.
 
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