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mwflyer said:
just you and all your conservative friends on Parler claiming victim hood as usual.
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The moment that generation realizes that it’s corporate accounts and brand-imprinting 30 year olds, they will spend a lot less time complaining during Bingo.

You capture a young professionals premium travel, you have decades of revenue and brand loyalty. Please the pithy old guy who is angrily yelling at clouds and writing anonymous manifestos, you’re not doing anything.

Business is war. Everything said is calculated and intentional. People have to figure it out.
 
I still don't like it, but Chik-fil-a has one version of "correct," at least from the public, non-employee-facing side of things.

They were donating money to charities that promote an anti-LGBTQ agenda, as a pre-90s Georgia-born privately-owned business may be wont to do. They got called-out on it, and decided, "You know what? We're trying to build a chicken zaibatsu here, not a vehicle to funnel money to other social agendas." Pure capitalism; chase ROI, YoY growth, FCF, etc. If the chicken-eaters demand an acceptable portion of our profits shall be donated to causes, the selection shall be subject to the tyranny of a majority as long as they buy more.

Any publicly-traded company and most big private ones don't care about social issues unless they can be connected to financial statements. Lookin' at you, creeps at Nestlé.
 
Derg said:
The moment that generation realizes that it’s corporate accounts and brand-imprinting 30 year olds, they will spend a lot less time complaining during Bingo.

You capture a young professionals premium travel, you have decades of revenue and brand loyalty. Please the pithy old guy who is angrily yelling at clouds and writing anonymous manifestos, you’re not doing anything.

Business is war. Everything said is calculated and intentional. People have to figure it out.
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It’s virtue signaling. Let’s be honest. Airlines move people from A to B, some do it in premium style and amenities and others do it at a bare minimum style. Picking sides on social issues is just to appease the masses. Amazing how the airline industry did fine for decades without picking which social justice issues and political side to pander to.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
It’s virtue signaling. Let’s be honest. Airlines move people from A to B, some do it in premium style and amenities and others do it at a bare minimum style. Picking sides on social issues is just to appease the masses. Amazing how the airline industry did fine for decades without picking which social justice issues and political side to pander to.
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That's because they hadn't done the math yet that, as a group, social conservatives and bigots don't spend that much money on travel, and it's not worth an airline's time to cater to them.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
It’s virtue signaling. Let’s be honest. Airlines move people from A to B, some do it in premium style and amenities and others do it at a bare minimum style. Picking sides on social issues is just to appease the masses. Amazing how the airline industry did fine for decades without picking which social justice issues and political side to pander to.
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Who cares.

One persons “OMG it’s ViRtUe SiGnAlInG” is another high value customers “where I spend money aligns with my values and it’s worth a premium”.

The airline business is a whole lot cooler when you embrace that your job is to fly point-a to point-b, efficiently, safely, and let the other departments figure the rest of the stuff out, including marketing and putting butts in seats. I guarantee that you’re looking at the industry through an aperture the size of a keyhole with Tucker Carlson-branded shades.

He’s making millions, the airlines that are smart return to billions and you’ll make thousands.
 
BobDDuck said:
Guarantee he's going to plead ignorance to that.
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Of course. Fox just ran pseudo-patriotic “support the troops” all weekend without actually reflecting on other issues, or even what the historical nature of Memorial Day actually was.

Unless he’s developed into OANN and then it was flat earth and birtherism.

It doesn’t matter that my grandfather was legally voting (by todays metrics) when all that stuff went down and drove parts of my family from Oklahoma to Texas with only their clothes on their backs, “but that was a long time ago” he’ll say.
 
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tcco94 said:
Where do you find this stuff? Widget lives in your head rent free
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Bestie high key, I'm so pressed right now, big facts. She cappin' yo. Sis is super sus right now. She be tyna spill all the tea, but she pull-up lookin' kinda cring, fer real. If sis keep being extra. Yo, I'ma have ta flex on her an she gonna catch these hands, on gang. Dead ass. Say less.
 
Derg said:
Who cares.

One persons “OMG it’s ViRtUe SiGnAlInG” is another high value customers “where I spend money aligns with my values and it’s worth a premium”.

The airline business is a whole lot cooler when you embrace that your job is to fly point-a to point-b, efficiently, safely, and let the other departments figure the rest of the stuff out, including marketing and putting butts in seats. I guarantee that you’re looking at the industry through an aperture the size of a keyhole with Tucker Carlson-branded shades.

He’s making millions, the airlines that are smart return to billions and you’ll make thousands.
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Somehow, I’m not sure people would feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot. As in, it was a conservative ideal that was praised by a company. (If the majority as defined by > 50% were okay with that).
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Picking sides on social issues is just to appease the masses.
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You’re right CC. It’s definitely a smarter business strategy to *not* try to “appease the masses”.

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Amazing how the airline industry did fine for decades without picking which social justice issues and political side to pander to.
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I, too, wish we could go back to the 1960’s. Because everything was awesome for all Americans then for sure!

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Somehow, I’m not sure people would feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot. As in, it was a conservative ideal that was praised by a company. (If the majority as defined by > 50% were okay with that).
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You know what the fun thing about the free market is?
 
zmiller4 said:
You’re right CC. It’s definitely a smarter business strategy to *not* try to “appease the masses”.



I, too, wish we could go back to the 1960’s. Because everything was awesome for all Americans then for sure!



You know what the fun thing about the free market is?
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Do you have to say anything? Why does a company HAVE to go public and take a stand on something like, say, George Floyd? Which is an officer kneeling on a person and killing him during an arrest. How’s that an airlines fault? Why be vocal on it? Airlines have nothing to do with cops, criminals, resisting arrest, and street violence.

And no I didn’t say 1960s. From what I’ve seen in the airlines since moving here, so say 1992 to right about before Trump got elected.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Do you have to say anything? Why does a company HAVE to go public and take a stand on something like, say, George Floyd?
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Of course they don’t have to say anything. But they do. Why do you think that might be?


Cherokee_Cruiser said:
From what I’ve seen in the airlines since moving here, so say 1992 to right about before Trump got elected.
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There it is. You simply feel like a victim because companies have figured out that most of their customers don’t agree with you.

Try this: stop complaining and don’t spend money on Delta. I don’t tell the mypillow guy to shut up...I have no problem with him running his mouth because it lets everyone know he’s a seditious •wit. So I don’t buy his crappy pillows, but other seditious •wits will. That’s how the free market works.
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Do you have to say anything? Why does a company HAVE to go public and take a stand on something like, say, George Floyd? Which is an officer kneeling on a person and killing him during an arrest. How’s that an airlines fault? Why be vocal on it? Airlines have nothing to do with cops, criminals, resisting arrest, and street violence.

And no I didn’t say 1960s. From what I’ve seen in the airlines since moving here, so say 1992 to right about before Trump got elected.
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You sure are big on trying to control what private companies can do lately.
 
Marketing has always been about selling the sizzle, not the steak (how the customer feels about a brand). For better or worse, a lot of that sizzle now focuses on the community / social issues because the marketing professionals and focus groups have determined that is the best way to resonate with the highest yielding accounts.

Anheuser Busch has been leading in this arena for a while, look at some of AB Super Bowl ads, especially after the 9/11 attacks.

On a side note, I truly think that we as Americans are a lot more similar than different, but instead of knowing the person and being able to give them the benefit of the doubt when we disagree - the internet anonymity puts us all on the defense from the beginning of the conversation.
 
FlyPurdue said:
On a side note, I truly think that we as Americans are a lot more similar than different
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At the core of it, that's pretty much true for most people on earth in general. Take politics and religion and a language barrier out of the equation, you could probably take the most midwestern suburban person and put them in a room with someone from the deepest corners of anywhere in the world and they're probably going to talk about their family and how they just want to live their lives and be happy.
 
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