Oh Delta XXVI - Delta pilot calls controller an idiot

derg said:
They’re probably working too much.

But then I spend most of my time in the ICAO environment so there is very little space for editorial comments. I can’t remember the last time I got mad about flying. Now one of the other positions, sometimes that souvenir Dodger ‘bat day’ bats would come in handy.
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ICAO is the only thing I miss about large cabin business jets.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
You wouldn’t change, you’d complain there too. You think your days off suck, wait until you get globalization-ized.
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Look every thread with a negative angle on Southern Jets has been started by you. It’s weird. It’s even weirder that your pointing out SJ pilots as pedos simply because one of them was, allegedly, on this thread.

I’m already embarrassed to work where I do on the daily but you’re taking it to a whole other level.
 
ICN: “We’ll never do that entire arrival” - meanwhile, we do the entire arrival.

I’ve had good luck with HND tho!

Did my first ITP on climb out when we got caught below a UAL 787.
 
BobDDuck said:
This is a good point. You already know that Daegu is going to put every KAL flight it can possibly find in front of you on the arrival, and that Tokyo is going to turn out off the arrival so they can get the JAL flight that is 30 miles behind you in front of you, so there is really no reason to stress about any of it when it happens.
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I feel like Incheon will give us all the shortcuts if we're Polar, otherwise it's straight to jail.
 
I don't understand why ATC in the US, especially in the NY area, has to be so snarky all the time. One of my high school friends is a 777 FO at British Airways and he told me they brief it as the #1 threat coming into US airports. I get that they're overworked and fatigue can get you to snap every once in a while, but it almost seems like in NY being a sarcastic • is a "cute" personality trait, or worse a point of pride.

derg said:
ICN: “We’ll never do that entire arrival” - meanwhile, we do the entire arrival.

I’ve had good luck with HND tho!

Did my first ITP on climb out when we got caught below a UAL 787.
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Reminds me a couple years ago sitting right seat while a Captain is doing his special qual into EGE. The LVP in the approach discussion confidently said "I've been here over 20 times this year and have never not gotten the RNAV-M". Of course 10 minutes later "Southernjets 123, unable RNAV-M, expect the LDA".
 
luke3 said:
I don't understand why ATC in the US, especially in the NY area, has to be so snarky all the time. One of my high school friends is a 777 FO at British Airways and he told me they brief it as the #1 threat coming into US airports. I get that they're overworked and fatigue can get you to snap every once in a while, but it almost seems like in NY being a sarcastic • is a "cute" personality trait, or worse a point of pride.



Reminds me a couple years ago sitting right seat while a Captain is doing his special qual into EGE. The LVP in the approach discussion confidently said "I've been here over 20 times this year and have never not gotten the RNAV-M". Of course 10 minutes later "Southernjets 123, unable RNAV-M, expect the LDA".
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Between the shenanigans on guard and the 5% of controllers out there (everywhere has the 5%) I just assume that foreign pilots loathe flying to the US. We were headed to Philly last week and Discover was looking for a frequency on guard. Some jack___ kept saying “you’re on guard”. To the point where this German voice comes back and says “I know I’m on guard”.
 
derg said:
Did my first ITP on climb out when we got caught below a UAL 787.
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I did one on the 321 about 7 years ago with Oakland but haven't managed to get one since. Too much work going into the FANS manual to figure out the exact format of the message.
 
phill1174 said:
Between the shenanigans on guard and the 5% of controllers out there (everywhere has the 5%) I just assume that foreign pilots loathe flying to the US. We were headed to Philly last week and Discover was looking for a frequency on guard. Some jack___ kept saying “you’re on guard”. To the point where this German voice comes back and says “I know I’m on guard”.
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I had to have a come to Jesus talk with a FO not too long ago that meowed on guard, and this was after a friend of mine told me he did the same. It wasn’t pretty.

I’ve gotten to the point where I try to monitor guard until I hear the first nonsense and then it’s off for the rest of the flight. I’m not sure if I’ve gotten off the ground with it monitored once this month.
 
luke3 said:
I don't understand why ATC in the US, especially in the NY area, has to be so snarky all the time. One of my high school friends is a 777 FO at British Airways and he told me they brief it as the #1 threat coming into US airports. I get that they're overworked and fatigue can get you to snap every once in a while, but it almost seems like in NY being a sarcastic • is a "cute" personality trait, or worse a point of pride.
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As a married man to someone from NY’s New England neighbor, all I can say is, have you ever met those people? Ever drove on a New York highway? Where 80% of those driving aren’t just • but actively trying to kill you. I’ve found that the ATC personalities are probably the best NY has to offer in terms of attitude. The rest of them are only eclipsed by people from Massachusetts.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Could be worse. Could be the 9th most hated Capt in SEA.
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NovemberEcho said:
See, that’s where the misunderstanding is. His initial comment wasn’t snarky, the DAL pilot just took it that way. ATC eas just telling him he has no idea when he’ll be able to go and when DAL pushed it atc got impatient cause he’s got bigger things to worry about and that’s when he got snarky.
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How did you and I never make it on the YouTube’s?
 
phill1174 said:
Between the shenanigans on guard and the 5% of controllers out there (everywhere has the 5%) I just assume that foreign pilots loathe flying to the US. We were headed to Philly last week and Discover was looking for a frequency on guard. Some jack___ kept saying “you’re on guard”. To the point where this German voice comes back and says “I know I’m on guard”.
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It’s the Wild West on the radio here in the states. It’s like you cross the border back into the US, it’s a constantly drone of grabassery on guard, pilot vamping like they’re a radio DJ because they think they sound cool,.. I think we’re so accustomed to it that we don’t realize how bad it’s gotten until you leave for a while.
 
derg said:
It’s the Wild West on the radio here in the states. It’s like you cross the border back into the US, it’s a constantly drone of grabassery on guard, pilot vamping like they’re a radio DJ because they think they sound cool,.. I think we’re so accustomed to it that we don’t realize how bad it’s gotten until you leave for a while.
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For some reason it seems much more prevalent on the east coast versus the west coast.
 
BobDDuck said:
I did one on the 321 about 7 years ago with Oakland but haven't managed to get one since. Too much work going into the FANS manual to figure out the exact format of the message.
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We have a “template” of sorts on my aircraft, which is nice.
 
Not condoning his comments but the DOT implications are real. At least they didn’t blow the slide like a certain airline named after a device used to determine your direction did once 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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