Officer448
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What percentage of Airline Career Pilots are hired by ATP?
% of ACPP that go onto Instruct
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Officer448
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Why would the majority of ACPP not want to instruct with ATP? I thought that was the whole goal of the program, complete it, get hired, build hours, send resumes, fly turbine aircraft.
SmitteyB
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It's my understanding from previous posts that only about half of all career pilot grads apply, and about half are hired. So somewhere in the neighborhood of 25%.
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That is also what I heard. But I also know a few grads who don't want to instruct their either. I don't quite understand it..but...
It's my understanding from previous posts that only about half of all career pilot grads apply, and about half are hired. So somewhere in the neighborhood of 25%.
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That is also what I heard. But I also know a few grads who don't want to instruct their either. I don't quite understand it..but...
GaTechKid
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That is also what I heard. But I also know a few grads who don't want to instruct their either. I don't quite understand it..but...
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That's what I thought before I started the program. But after flying and talking with students at the ATL location my view changed. Out of the 8 students I can think of right now only 2 really wanted to instruct with ATP. The rest had various reasons for not staying. 1 is doing aerial photography and wants to be a missionary pilot. 1 moved to VA to be with the spouse and is instructing up there. 2 wanted to stay in NY. Another student wants to do corporate flying and has couple contacts. The last one is seriously considering the Direct Track program.
That is also what I heard. But I also know a few grads who don't want to instruct their either. I don't quite understand it..but...
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That's what I thought before I started the program. But after flying and talking with students at the ATL location my view changed. Out of the 8 students I can think of right now only 2 really wanted to instruct with ATP. The rest had various reasons for not staying. 1 is doing aerial photography and wants to be a missionary pilot. 1 moved to VA to be with the spouse and is instructing up there. 2 wanted to stay in NY. Another student wants to do corporate flying and has couple contacts. The last one is seriously considering the Direct Track program.
GreenDayPilot
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WHY NOT INSTRUCT FOR ATP?????????
1) You must answer phones for the first couple of months
2) You get paid as much as a kid from Mcdonalds (maybe less) and work about 6-7 days a week
3) You're a "gofer"... if you're based in AZ and there's student who needs an instructor in CA, they'll make you drive there (and pay for your trip)
4) They treat you like sh**
That being said, its still a great place to go train at...I spent 32k on the program and just found out one of my cowokers spent 126k at pan am!!! 126k!!!! Well, anyway,I think they treat their students like gold and their instructors like sh**
My estimate is that they hire about 35-45% of their grads.. but that's just my guess
1) You must answer phones for the first couple of months
2) You get paid as much as a kid from Mcdonalds (maybe less) and work about 6-7 days a week
3) You're a "gofer"... if you're based in AZ and there's student who needs an instructor in CA, they'll make you drive there (and pay for your trip)
4) They treat you like sh**
That being said, its still a great place to go train at...I spent 32k on the program and just found out one of my cowokers spent 126k at pan am!!! 126k!!!! Well, anyway,I think they treat their students like gold and their instructors like sh**
My estimate is that they hire about 35-45% of their grads.. but that's just my guess
Heath
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I asked James that question the last month and he said while they didn't track it, he just looked at a spread sheet from the previous month and said that out of 15 grads, 10 applied and they hired 7.
But, he qualified it that every month is different and it just depends on how many they need and how many apply and what kind of references you get from instructors/dispatch.
But, he qualified it that every month is different and it just depends on how many they need and how many apply and what kind of references you get from instructors/dispatch.
blee256
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1) You must answer phones for the first couple of months
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yes you answer phones. but it doesnt always last a couple of months
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2) You get paid as much as a kid from Mcdonalds (maybe less) and work about 6-7 days a week
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Yeah, the pay isnt the greatest. but its not bad relative to the rest of the industry. Unless you're working for IFTA or a similar outfit, you're not gonna make any money. you get paid a salary. which is good and bad. but its not the pay that kills you. its the schedule. you're unable to hold down a second job........thats where it sucks. but don't dog the pay. you'll see if and when you start instructing.
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3) You're a "gofer"... if you're based in AZ and there's student who needs an instructor in CA, they'll make you drive there (and pay for your trip)
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Yes, at times they may ask you to help another location out. When you say "and pay for your trip", I hope you mean ATP pays for it. cuz thats what they do.
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4) They treat you like sh**
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"eeeeeeeeeasy white chocolate" They do keep a very tight leash on new instructors. but let me ask you this.....Why dont you tell me of any other flight school that will put in a newly minted CFI with 250 hours to instruct in a twin. If you can find one, let me and the rest of the CFIs on this board know.
Get a bunch of atp instructors and you'll hear them bitch about working here. Including me, I'll probably bitch the most. I can walk out anytime I want. But I am no dummy, i know when I am in a good situation. I am not under any contract nor is any other instructor, but we all stay.
1) You must answer phones for the first couple of months
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yes you answer phones. but it doesnt always last a couple of months
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2) You get paid as much as a kid from Mcdonalds (maybe less) and work about 6-7 days a week
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Yeah, the pay isnt the greatest. but its not bad relative to the rest of the industry. Unless you're working for IFTA or a similar outfit, you're not gonna make any money. you get paid a salary. which is good and bad. but its not the pay that kills you. its the schedule. you're unable to hold down a second job........thats where it sucks. but don't dog the pay. you'll see if and when you start instructing.
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3) You're a "gofer"... if you're based in AZ and there's student who needs an instructor in CA, they'll make you drive there (and pay for your trip)
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Yes, at times they may ask you to help another location out. When you say "and pay for your trip", I hope you mean ATP pays for it. cuz thats what they do.
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4) They treat you like sh**
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"eeeeeeeeeasy white chocolate" They do keep a very tight leash on new instructors. but let me ask you this.....Why dont you tell me of any other flight school that will put in a newly minted CFI with 250 hours to instruct in a twin. If you can find one, let me and the rest of the CFIs on this board know.
Get a bunch of atp instructors and you'll hear them bitch about working here. Including me, I'll probably bitch the most. I can walk out anytime I want. But I am no dummy, i know when I am in a good situation. I am not under any contract nor is any other instructor, but we all stay.
minority_pilot
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when you become an instructor at ATP, is housing paid for?? $1000-1500 a month living in riverside is like rent and gas money.
If ATP does not pay for housing when you become an instructor, how are you suppose to live?? with more loans??
thanks advance~
If ATP does not pay for housing when you become an instructor, how are you suppose to live?? with more loans??
thanks advance~
dakovich
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just found out one of my cowokers spent 126k at pan am!!! 126k!!!!
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i dislike panam as much as the next guy, BUT it doesn't cost anywhere near that to go there. now if you look to see how much you would have paid including interest after 15 years then yeah, its $126K
p.s. it is a bunch more expensive though
just found out one of my cowokers spent 126k at pan am!!! 126k!!!!
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i dislike panam as much as the next guy, BUT it doesn't cost anywhere near that to go there. now if you look to see how much you would have paid including interest after 15 years then yeah, its $126K
p.s. it is a bunch more expensive though
Heath
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Why dont you tell me of any other flight school that will put in a newly minted CFI with 250 hours to instruct in a twin. If you can find one, let me and the rest of the CFIs on this board know
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Ari Ben Aviator does it.
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Yeah, for two whole students, and then you're on your own...
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Why dont you tell me of any other flight school that will put in a newly minted CFI with 250 hours to instruct in a twin. If you can find one, let me and the rest of the CFIs on this board know
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Ari Ben Aviator does it.
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Yeah, for two whole students, and then you're on your own...
pscraig
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it just depends on how many they need and how many apply and what kind of references you get from instructors/dispatch.
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Yep, he nailed it. It varies so much there's no point in trying to figure it out. About half of the people who did the ACPP at the same time I did had other plans, and did not want to work for ATP. Some people get hired right out of the program, some wait a few months, some a year...no pattern.
It's a good job for an instructor, and yes the hours are long but it's a fair deal. I do notice some instructors are kept on a 'shorter leash' than others, but there are usually reasons for that. The best deal going for an ATP instructor is run your own office and get your own housing. Get a part-time job in the evenings if you have to, but you will enjoy the job more working on your own. I also noticed the management seemed to have significant respect for those of us that ran our own offices.
it just depends on how many they need and how many apply and what kind of references you get from instructors/dispatch.
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Yep, he nailed it. It varies so much there's no point in trying to figure it out. About half of the people who did the ACPP at the same time I did had other plans, and did not want to work for ATP. Some people get hired right out of the program, some wait a few months, some a year...no pattern.
It's a good job for an instructor, and yes the hours are long but it's a fair deal. I do notice some instructors are kept on a 'shorter leash' than others, but there are usually reasons for that. The best deal going for an ATP instructor is run your own office and get your own housing. Get a part-time job in the evenings if you have to, but you will enjoy the job more working on your own. I also noticed the management seemed to have significant respect for those of us that ran our own offices.
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Why dont you tell me of any other flight school that will put in a newly minted CFI with 250 hours to instruct in a twin. If you can find one, let me and the rest of the CFIs on this board know
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Ari Ben Aviator does it.
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Yeah, for two whole students, and then you're on your own...
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What do you mean by "...and then you're on your own..."?
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Why dont you tell me of any other flight school that will put in a newly minted CFI with 250 hours to instruct in a twin. If you can find one, let me and the rest of the CFIs on this board know
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Ari Ben Aviator does it.
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Yeah, for two whole students, and then you're on your own...
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What do you mean by "...and then you're on your own..."?
RPM
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Why dont you tell me of any other flight school that will put in a newly minted CFI with 250 hours to instruct in a twin. If you can find one, let me and the rest of the CFIs on this board know
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Ari Ben Aviator does it.
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Yeah, for two whole students, and then you're on your own...
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What do you mean by "...and then you're on your own..."?
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I don't know what he means by that....
Anyone at the Aviator that completes the pro course and has half a brain is given a full time instructor position if they want it, thats part of the deal. If your first few students fail checkrides, then yeah...you are probably going to be having a talk with Mike to discuss your options, but that would happen anywhere you were a CFI.
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Why dont you tell me of any other flight school that will put in a newly minted CFI with 250 hours to instruct in a twin. If you can find one, let me and the rest of the CFIs on this board know
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Ari Ben Aviator does it.
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Yeah, for two whole students, and then you're on your own...
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What do you mean by "...and then you're on your own..."?
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I don't know what he means by that....
Anyone at the Aviator that completes the pro course and has half a brain is given a full time instructor position if they want it, thats part of the deal. If your first few students fail checkrides, then yeah...you are probably going to be having a talk with Mike to discuss your options, but that would happen anywhere you were a CFI.
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Anyone at the Aviator that completes the pro course and has half a brain is given a full time instructor position if they want it,
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So I gather the following:
You can have less than half a brain and complete the pro course,
and you only need half a brain to instruct at Ari Ben.
Yup. Sounds like Cohen keeps the standards marginally higher than the regionals.
Anyone at the Aviator that completes the pro course and has half a brain is given a full time instructor position if they want it,
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So I gather the following:
You can have less than half a brain and complete the pro course,
and you only need half a brain to instruct at Ari Ben.
Yup. Sounds like Cohen keeps the standards marginally higher than the regionals.
blee256
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Anyone at the Aviator that completes the pro course and has half a brain is given a full time instructor position if they want it, thats part of the deal.
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Am I the only person that thinks there is something wrong with that statement??
minority pilot--All career pilots and some non-career pilot locations offer housing for instructors. Its not free, but its pretty close to free. And the other locations that dont offer housing, is normally, not always, taken by an instructor that is from that area, so housing isnt necessary for them.
Anyone at the Aviator that completes the pro course and has half a brain is given a full time instructor position if they want it, thats part of the deal.
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Am I the only person that thinks there is something wrong with that statement??
minority pilot--All career pilots and some non-career pilot locations offer housing for instructors. Its not free, but its pretty close to free. And the other locations that dont offer housing, is normally, not always, taken by an instructor that is from that area, so housing isnt necessary for them.