NW + DL Merger Mania Update... A little birdy tells me
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Chris_Ford
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Sorry, this is what I was referring to:
Delta also announced it will postpone the start of its New York-JFK to Nairobi, Kenya, service via Dakar, Senegal, due to current market conditions. That flight is now scheduled to start Dec. 8. Additionally, Delta’s newly proposed New York-JFK to Lagos, Nigeria, service will be postponed to Dec 11. Existing service between Atlanta and Lagos will continue on a daily basis
Delta also announced it will postpone the start of its New York-JFK to Nairobi, Kenya, service via Dakar, Senegal, due to current market conditions. That flight is now scheduled to start Dec. 8. Additionally, Delta’s newly proposed New York-JFK to Lagos, Nigeria, service will be postponed to Dec 11. Existing service between Atlanta and Lagos will continue on a daily basis
staplegun
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Nairobi is being postponed due to the political situation there; we already serve Atlanta - Lagos, the JFK flight is moved back because of aircraft availability issues...
Kevin
I'm sure. We've had quite a few people cancel their Kenyan Safaris, however the vendors all claim that everything is fine for tourists.
WalterSobchak
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MDPilot
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Delta Says Merger Principles
With Northwest Haven't Been Met
By PAULO PRADA
February 26, 2008 4:44 p.m.
In a sign of growing trouble for a proposed merger deal with Northwest Airlines Corp., top executives of Delta Air Lines Inc. Tuesday afternoon issued an internal memo saying that no "potential transaction meets all our principles."
Summarizing the airline's priorities in any merger, including seniority protection for all its employees and keeping the airline headquartered in Atlanta, the memo said the airline will continue to focus on its "stand-alone plan" until all "these conditions are met."
Signed by Richard Anderson, Delta's chief executive, and Ed Bastian, the airline's president and chief financial officer, the memo follows a recent impasse in discussions between Delta pilots and their counterparts at Northwest. Despite progress in merger talks among the two airlines' executives and financial advisers, people familiar with the situation say leaders of the pilots groups have been unable to find common ground on an agreement that would establish a common seniority list for the pilots of a combined airline.
Without that agreement, those people said, the airlines are reluctant to merge because executives are wary of protracted labor disputes and contract negotiations that have troubled mergers in the airline industry in the past.
Write to Paulo Prada at paulo.prada@wsj.com
With Northwest Haven't Been Met
By PAULO PRADA
February 26, 2008 4:44 p.m.
In a sign of growing trouble for a proposed merger deal with Northwest Airlines Corp., top executives of Delta Air Lines Inc. Tuesday afternoon issued an internal memo saying that no "potential transaction meets all our principles."
Summarizing the airline's priorities in any merger, including seniority protection for all its employees and keeping the airline headquartered in Atlanta, the memo said the airline will continue to focus on its "stand-alone plan" until all "these conditions are met."
Signed by Richard Anderson, Delta's chief executive, and Ed Bastian, the airline's president and chief financial officer, the memo follows a recent impasse in discussions between Delta pilots and their counterparts at Northwest. Despite progress in merger talks among the two airlines' executives and financial advisers, people familiar with the situation say leaders of the pilots groups have been unable to find common ground on an agreement that would establish a common seniority list for the pilots of a combined airline.
Without that agreement, those people said, the airlines are reluctant to merge because executives are wary of protracted labor disputes and contract negotiations that have troubled mergers in the airline industry in the past.
Write to Paulo Prada at paulo.prada@wsj.com
kellwolf
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Man, not that I've gotten "ready" and raised my blood pressure, I'm going to have to start worrying about a new merger all over again!!
Life would be so much better if I didn't worry about things that I can't change . . .
Lloyd, I kept telling the guys in MEM that, but they just won't listen. Too many guys are getting spun up about the possibility of MEM closing. When I ask them what they'll do if it closes, they don't know. Then I ask what they can do to STOP it from closing. Dead silence. Point still doesn't get across.
kellwolf
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Here's a good one...Southwest and US Airways:
Sounds to me like someone owns some SWA and LCC stock. Honestly I couldn't even make this stuff up if I tried.
Oh man. That's the best one I've heard yet. We're gonna take an airline that historically prides itself on low overhead and good labor relations and say they're gonna try to merge with one that has high overhead and some of the worst labor relations. They coulda said "We saw Bigfoot and Wal-Mart" and been more believable.
Note: if/when this happens, I'm gonna look totally idiotic, aren't I?
I am just learning about the way all of this working, but I was an econ major. It seems to be this all should have happened about 5 years ago. The government bailing all of these airlines was not the right thing to do. I guess the idea was protect the consumer and economy by subsidizing the airlines. The airlines are NOT a government operation and should not be treated as such. The american consumer should bear the ups and downs just as we the labor does.
I am not sure what these mergers will do in terms of pilot hiring and such, but it will create an incredibly powerful labor union if they can learn to work together. Right now these labor unions are fighting each other and it seems like the pilots aren't so keen on the idea. In 5 years it seems the collective bargaining power would be a lot more powerful. If pilots would stop thinking about what their seniority number will be next month or even in the next year or two it seems like they would be able to get a lot further. I don't know much about the airline industry except what I read here in the news, does my logic follow?
Would these pilots ever fall under the same contract? How often are contracts negotiated? I guess if they would always be under separate contracts then it would be the the suck. Thanks for the advice, I am trying to learn as much as I can before I really don't have a choice.
-Jason
www.flyboulder.com
I am not sure what these mergers will do in terms of pilot hiring and such, but it will create an incredibly powerful labor union if they can learn to work together. Right now these labor unions are fighting each other and it seems like the pilots aren't so keen on the idea. In 5 years it seems the collective bargaining power would be a lot more powerful. If pilots would stop thinking about what their seniority number will be next month or even in the next year or two it seems like they would be able to get a lot further. I don't know much about the airline industry except what I read here in the news, does my logic follow?
Would these pilots ever fall under the same contract? How often are contracts negotiated? I guess if they would always be under separate contracts then it would be the the suck. Thanks for the advice, I am trying to learn as much as I can before I really don't have a choice.
-Jason
www.flyboulder.com
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JoelT
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The government did NOT bail out the airlines. First, all the feds needed to do after 9-11 was lower the taxes on tickets. You know half the price of a ticket goes to the government. The reason this did not happen was because the current administration wanted labor to bear the brunt and take concessions as a prerequisite for the "bailout".
Airlines are "unregulated" but expected to operate as a public utility. The world we live in.
Agreed
Seniority is life. Everything in our career depends on it. No matter how big the airline is, whoever is in the White House ultimately dictates how we negotiate. If we are not allowed to exercise our leverage then size is moot.