Non Radar

today OKC is a joke..........they are running a 95% pass rate, yea some screen! my input started with 150 and ended with 55. if you made it through the meat grinder you had somthing to be really proud of in those days.i squeaked by with a 74.5% and all i can tell you it was a bitch!!!!!

P.S. its still good to know non radar, ive been there, at ZAU when both NAS and DARC failed and all i had was strips and the clock........ and this wasnt in the 80s it was 2004!!
 
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Screaming_Eagle_ATC said:
Fair enough that makes me feel better. He's making us write half pages on why conflicts are resolved by the 44 knot rule so maybe I'll have a chance by the time I graduate


Big Eazy
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OK, learn the 44 knot rule to make your professor happy and then forget that thing ever exists. You will never use the 44 knot rule.
 
queeno said:
today OKC is a joke..........they are running a 95% pass rate, yea some screen! my input started with 150 and ended with 55. if you made it through the meat grinder you had somthing to be really proud of in those days.i squeaked by with a 74.5% and all i can tell you it was a bitch!!!!!

P.S. its still good to know non radar, ive been there, at ZAU when both NAS and DARC failed and all i had was strips and the clock........ and this wasnt in the 80s it was 2004!!
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They are not (well, were not before they got shutdown) running 95%. It was more like 40-50% but for tower...yeah, I can't think of many who failed.
 
My enroute class passed about 95% in 2010. They changed the curriculum after that, though.

OP, I couldn't find if you had posted your facility, but how much non-radar you use depends quite a bit on that. If you're going to any coastal centers, you'll use a lot more than Kansas City Center.
 
queeno said:
today OKC is a joke..........they are running a 95% pass rate, yea some screen! my input started with 150 and ended with 55. if you made it through the meat grinder you had somthing to be really proud of in those days.i squeaked by with a 74.5% and all i can tell you it was a bitch!!!!!

P.S. its still good to know non radar, ive been there, at ZAU when both NAS and DARC failed and all i had was strips and the clock........ and this wasnt in the 80s it was 2004!!
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I was working in one of your underlying facilities when that happened. If I recall correctly, that wasn't exactly a quick fix either. A couple of days, wasn't it?
 
OP, I couldn't find if you had posted your facility, but how much non-radar you use depends quite a bit on that. If you're going to any coastal centers, you'll use a lot more than Kansas City Center.[/quote] Unfortunately, I don't have one unless you count Kent State University. If I had a say in the matter id beg to be placed in ZLA. #palmdale



Big Eazy
 
OP, I couldn't find if you had posted your facility, but how much non-radar you use depends quite a bit on that. If you're going to any coastal centers, you'll use a lot more than Kansas City Center.[/quote] Unfortunately, I don't have one unless you count Kent State University. If I had a say in the matter id beg to be placed in ZLA. #palmdale



Big Eazy
 
Bernoulli I don't have a facility, but if and when I get the opportunity to request one after I graduate from Kent State. I'd put number one as ZLA


Big Eazy
 
For myself 90% of my airspace is radar.

10% is non-radar.

Your training is really provided for the day when the radar goes TU. And yes it happens
 
queeno said:
today OKC is a joke..........they are running a 95% pass rate, yea some screen! my input started with 150 and ended with 55. if you made it through the meat grinder you had somthing to be really proud of in those days.i squeaked by with a 74.5% and all i can tell you it was a bitch!!!!!

P.S. its still good to know non radar, ive been there, at ZAU when both NAS and DARC failed and all i had was strips and the clock........ and this wasnt in the 80s it was 2004!!
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On OKC day one we were all in the same room (3 classes) and the first thing said was; Look around, 50% of you will no longer be employed by the FAA in 20 weeks. He was close, we lost 51% of the class almost all in non-radar.

Somehow I pulled off an 81%. Later August 3, 1981 made everything mute.
 
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TripSix said:
I was working in one of your underlying facilities when that happened. If I recall correctly, that wasn't exactly a quick fix either. A couple of days, wasn't it?
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i know the event you are talking about but i wasnt on that day, mine was at the begining of a mid shift after a day of of WX and i had all the airspace combined with a pretty good rush of late ORD traffic, when the whole system crapped out ( i mean both NAS and DARC went blank no freeze screen info) for 20 minutes.funny thing i never had worked non radar like that before but when the radar went out i just handled it like i had done it for years, all that training just kicked in and no one was the wiser except for all the request for DME and say altitude.oh i should note that the URET display also failed so there was no flight plan info only strips. the only reason i had strips is because i was one of the few who was against using URET to replace them, if i didnt have them it would have been a real mess!!!!
 
Screaming_Eagle_ATC said:
Bernoulli Fan said:
OP, I couldn't find if you had posted your facility, but how much non-radar you use depends quite a bit on that. If you're going to any coastal centers, you'll use a lot more than Kansas City Center.
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Unfortunately, I don't have one unless you count Kent State University. If I had a say in the matter id beg to be placed in ZLA. #palmdale



Big Eazy
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We are generally short staffed, so I'd say your chances are good if things continue the way they are.
 
Screaming_Eagle_ATC said:
That sounds scary having a place like ZLA short staffed


Big Eazy
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Not really. It mostly means you can't get much spot leave when you want it, or you might have to work 90 minutes on position before taking a break some days, or there might be a few days you don't train if you're a trainee. It's not like there aren't enough people to man the sectors.

Doesn't stop us from complaining bitterly, though: a favorite pastime.
 
Bernoulli Fan said:
Not really. It mostly means you can't get much spot leave when you want it, or you might have to work 90 minutes on position before taking a break some days, or there might be a few days you don't train if you're a trainee. It's not like there aren't enough people to man the sectors.

Doesn't stop us from complaining bitterly, though: a favorite pastime.
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Don't forget about the over time
 
We have been staffed out the yen yang this week because of the shutdown. Kind of a good thing. :p

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We have been staffed out the yen yang this week because of the shutdown. Kind of a good thing. :p

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I have more OT scheduled for this month than I have since the sequester started, haven't received any notice about them taking any of it back either.
 
Overtime is for suckers..................................only time i ever worked it was at gun point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
canadian_atc said:
For myself 90% of my airspace is radar.

10% is non-radar.

Your training is really provided for the day when the radar goes TU. And yes it happens
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Frequently when the weather is bad ("It was a dark and stormy night...")

Redding seems to always go non-radar when the weather up there turns nasty.
 
I've been through FtWorth center lower non-radar a couple time where they had to shuffle flight levels down to 11/250kts for dfw approach meanwhile still deal with all the ifr traffic between dfw and okc making multiple approaches at non radar or towered fields. Lots of dme and fix reports. I think above 250FL or so they could use the norad uplink but it was still a mess.
 
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