naunga
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You know, the insanity of people in this country now.
After 9/11 people have lost their minds! I mean, they've really lost it.
Sure we need to be secure, maybe we even needed to DHS, but what the hell are they doing?
Here are a few examples...
1. Prohibiting nail clippers on an airliner. How the hell is this keeping us safe? I mean if a terrorist has half a brain, he'll figure out how to make weapons out of a million other things. I mean I know how to slice someone up pretty well with a credit card. So should we starting banning credit cards and ID cards on planes? Okay, well then I'll just use a ballpoint pen. Anyone seen Gross Point Blank or the Bourne Identity? Okay so ban those too. Look you can force people to wear government issued sweats and booties, but there are still weapons that can be made from stuff you can get on the plane. Seatbelts, coke cans, hot coffee, plastic cups, etc.
2. Can't get on the concourse without a ticket? This one actually starts to make sense, until you remember that A) the 9/11 hijackers had tickets and B) that Al Qaeda is pretty well funded, so they're not going to miss a few grand to put their people on planes.
3. Can't get on the plane with a lighter, but matches are not a problem. Yep, I feel safer, because of this.
4. The DHS buys millions of dollars in equipment to check cargo containers, but it's all being scraped since it's either too complicated and no one knows how to work it, or it can't tell the difference between a nuke and kitty litter.
5. The very (whatever) useful color code.
6. Oh, how about that 152 that wandered too close to the Whitehouse? I was glad it was intercepted by fighters, that is truly a good thing, but then to hear that they actually thought about shooting it down? Please. That's overkill. I mean first let's look at the logic of this. The plane is not going to turn around and fly out over an unpopulated area so it can be shot down, so people on the ground are going to get hurt and/or die. If it was carrying some sort of improvised WMD like a dirty bomb, shooting it down will achive what the terrorist wanted in the first place, and shooting it down at altitude will only serve to get more of the radioactive material into the air, but then again it's a 152. My Neon weighs more than a 152, and if you look at the recent terrorist attacks in the middle east they're using car bombs and guys with explosives strapped to their bodies. I've not heard about a rash of 152's falling out of the sky, nor have I heard about cars being fired upon as they drive around DC. What about OK City? Where is the freak out on the trucking industry? I mean you could do a lot more damage with a semi-trailer loaded with explosives than a 152. And what the heck was the evacuation plan for DC? Run for your life? It's been 4 years people, and we don't have a decent plan to get people into secure locations in DC? I mean people were standing the streets just looking up for heaven's sake. What the hell has DHS been doing for 4 years? Ooooo, they've been getting wined and dined by lobbyists and security vendors? Hmmm, well is that making us safer?
7. This is probably the only thing that the DHS and TSA have done that actually made sense: fortified cockpit doors. If you want to stop someone from hijacking a plane, you keep them out of the cockpit. The only issue here is that pilots need to be trained to have ice in their veins if something happens so they aren't drawn out of the cockpit. Turn off the intercom, don't look out, just land the plane.
We're being lied to people. We're being told that we need to be afraid of airplanes, when the terrorists are using cars and people. We're being told that a terrorist attack could happen at anytime and we're all going to die, unless we have a bunch of duct tape and plastic wrap. I personally am sick of it. I'm sick of being told, don't be afraid, go about your daily business, and then being told in the next breath that the world is ending.
In the end the terrorists are magicians, they distract us with one hand, and slap us with the other. They're not going to do anything else with airplanes here. We're looking for that. We expect that. They're going to do something we never considered. Just like before 9/11. They did the truck bomb thing, then when we're focused on that they take over a bunch of airliners.
The next attack, and until our foreign policy changes there will be another one, will be something that we never considered, and while we're all too busy fretting over airplanes they'll do something else.
I'm all for a DHS, but they need to secure the homeland. Tighten the borders, check cargo containers, check cargo holds of airliners, airport staff should be screened, but to make the system efficient they should have their own checkpoint, behind a secure door. I mean it's as simple as having an employee entrance, and that's the only way in for an airport employee. You can't go through with the PAX if you're working. If you're not working then you're like everyone else. You have a ticket and get screened.
Terrorist watchlists need to be issued and updated often, and from a central source. We need to stop them from getting in here in the first place.
There are so many logical steps that can be taken, that offer true security. I just wonder when the government is going to start taking them?
Naunga
After 9/11 people have lost their minds! I mean, they've really lost it.
Sure we need to be secure, maybe we even needed to DHS, but what the hell are they doing?
Here are a few examples...
1. Prohibiting nail clippers on an airliner. How the hell is this keeping us safe? I mean if a terrorist has half a brain, he'll figure out how to make weapons out of a million other things. I mean I know how to slice someone up pretty well with a credit card. So should we starting banning credit cards and ID cards on planes? Okay, well then I'll just use a ballpoint pen. Anyone seen Gross Point Blank or the Bourne Identity? Okay so ban those too. Look you can force people to wear government issued sweats and booties, but there are still weapons that can be made from stuff you can get on the plane. Seatbelts, coke cans, hot coffee, plastic cups, etc.
2. Can't get on the concourse without a ticket? This one actually starts to make sense, until you remember that A) the 9/11 hijackers had tickets and B) that Al Qaeda is pretty well funded, so they're not going to miss a few grand to put their people on planes.
3. Can't get on the plane with a lighter, but matches are not a problem. Yep, I feel safer, because of this.
4. The DHS buys millions of dollars in equipment to check cargo containers, but it's all being scraped since it's either too complicated and no one knows how to work it, or it can't tell the difference between a nuke and kitty litter.
5. The very (whatever) useful color code.
6. Oh, how about that 152 that wandered too close to the Whitehouse? I was glad it was intercepted by fighters, that is truly a good thing, but then to hear that they actually thought about shooting it down? Please. That's overkill. I mean first let's look at the logic of this. The plane is not going to turn around and fly out over an unpopulated area so it can be shot down, so people on the ground are going to get hurt and/or die. If it was carrying some sort of improvised WMD like a dirty bomb, shooting it down will achive what the terrorist wanted in the first place, and shooting it down at altitude will only serve to get more of the radioactive material into the air, but then again it's a 152. My Neon weighs more than a 152, and if you look at the recent terrorist attacks in the middle east they're using car bombs and guys with explosives strapped to their bodies. I've not heard about a rash of 152's falling out of the sky, nor have I heard about cars being fired upon as they drive around DC. What about OK City? Where is the freak out on the trucking industry? I mean you could do a lot more damage with a semi-trailer loaded with explosives than a 152. And what the heck was the evacuation plan for DC? Run for your life? It's been 4 years people, and we don't have a decent plan to get people into secure locations in DC? I mean people were standing the streets just looking up for heaven's sake. What the hell has DHS been doing for 4 years? Ooooo, they've been getting wined and dined by lobbyists and security vendors? Hmmm, well is that making us safer?
7. This is probably the only thing that the DHS and TSA have done that actually made sense: fortified cockpit doors. If you want to stop someone from hijacking a plane, you keep them out of the cockpit. The only issue here is that pilots need to be trained to have ice in their veins if something happens so they aren't drawn out of the cockpit. Turn off the intercom, don't look out, just land the plane.
We're being lied to people. We're being told that we need to be afraid of airplanes, when the terrorists are using cars and people. We're being told that a terrorist attack could happen at anytime and we're all going to die, unless we have a bunch of duct tape and plastic wrap. I personally am sick of it. I'm sick of being told, don't be afraid, go about your daily business, and then being told in the next breath that the world is ending.
In the end the terrorists are magicians, they distract us with one hand, and slap us with the other. They're not going to do anything else with airplanes here. We're looking for that. We expect that. They're going to do something we never considered. Just like before 9/11. They did the truck bomb thing, then when we're focused on that they take over a bunch of airliners.
The next attack, and until our foreign policy changes there will be another one, will be something that we never considered, and while we're all too busy fretting over airplanes they'll do something else.
I'm all for a DHS, but they need to secure the homeland. Tighten the borders, check cargo containers, check cargo holds of airliners, airport staff should be screened, but to make the system efficient they should have their own checkpoint, behind a secure door. I mean it's as simple as having an employee entrance, and that's the only way in for an airport employee. You can't go through with the PAX if you're working. If you're not working then you're like everyone else. You have a ticket and get screened.
Terrorist watchlists need to be issued and updated often, and from a central source. We need to stop them from getting in here in the first place.
There are so many logical steps that can be taken, that offer true security. I just wonder when the government is going to start taking them?
Naunga
