No more screening for pilots?

TSA is a load of crap. I have a family member who worked there for about two years and became a supervisor. All he has is a GED and a resume a mile long listing jobs where he was fired for various things.

It's easy to get a job at TSA and if a terrorist wants to make friends with a TSA guy/girl he can get on a plane with damn near anything. Say you have a defibulator or pace maker and skip the metal detector and have the guy you know pat you down and take off your shoes and pretend to check you.

They need to do a better job of screening their own employees and give them more advanced equipment (it's coming).
 
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It's one of those interesting things. You're not required to take off your shoes, but they "recommend" that you do. At least that's what the monitors at IAD say.

They've made me take off my Tevas, for God's sake!

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The day I was at Dulles, earlier this month, the TSA had one of their fat thugs standing out in front of the checkpoint yelling at all of the passengers that "all passengers must remove their shoes..no exceptions." It sure made me feel safe. What are Tevas anyways? Is it like a flip flop type shoe? I can see the danger.
 
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As far as I've seen, you do not have to remove your shoes. However if they meet a certain 'profile' (big, fat Richard Reid-style shoes) and you choose not to remove them, you're subject to secondary search

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Once again, depends on the airport. Flying from BHM (which I HATE security there, too Doug. WAY too small) to MSY, I didn't have to take off my shoes at all. MEM will give you the option to walk through without taking them off with the secondary search stipulation. When I get to HOU to fly to DAL, I had to take them off. When I asked, I was told "Oh no, the policy is now that everyone has to take their shoes off or go through the full screening." So, I had to remove my feel-the-ground-through-the-soles worn out Wal-Mart tennis shoes.

The rules might be set in DC, but the problem is that individual TSA heads in the different airports pick and choose what to enforce. Then the different airports are either strict or slack on their employees enforcing the rules. You might run into an airport where the shoe deal is their policy, but if you get Bob instead of Frank as your screener, you won't have to remove the shoes since they don't get in trouble for not enforcing the rule.

As far as detecting people impersonating pilots, the MCO airport has a video they show during training of two guys impersonating pilots. The object is to spot the problems and how to tell the real deal from the Memorex. I'd say a good 80% of the people that watch that video are totally clueless.
 
We need to employ some new technology, I cant believe we are doing things the same way we were when I took my first flight 12 years ago.
 
How about that cool x-ray machine like in Total Recall? Those people just breezed through there until Arnold showed up......
 
I love how every station I go to has completely different procedures, also subject to who's in charge. My shoes only set off a couple metal detectors.... not to mention WHY DOES AKRON HAVE THE NAZI'S OF THE SYSTEM??? It's a tiny freaking airport and they go freaking ape there.


In TLH one time I was jumpseating on DAL in plain clothes. I had my crew bags and ID's.... the guy went nuts on me. I was polite and said "no sir... I do not have to have a boarding pass." He kept on going.. I could see his power trip beginning. I was like "do you want to go ask your supervisor and save yourself the embarrassment.. the line is just getting longer... I think I've done this a few times." Needless to say I was motioned through moments later. At least most of them know me down there.
 
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I don't believe that Pilots should have to stand in line with other passengers. Afterall, they are the ones flying the plane; they don't need a box knife to kill anyone.

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But he could pass it along to other guy in the boarding area going to other airplane.
I think that everybody including air-crews should go through security, there are thousands of airline pilots, national and foreign ( foreign airlines). Among this individuals you can find people with all types of political ideas. So, you just can't never be sure.
On the other hand, I think that they could create in the airports a crews-only screening area. ( in the big ones at least)

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No legitimate crew member is going to pass a weapon!
There is no reason working crew needs to be screened.

Every legitimate crew member could go through security naked and still have weapons when they arrive at their duty station (we can all think of at least a dozen I am sure). That being the case, what is the point of going through the checkpoint???

I only have to go thru security at two airports. At all others we have a process set up where the airline CSAs have a list of the flight crew and check their names against the manifest at the designated entrance.

While it would take some doing, a CASS type system could be set up for crew that would enable them to bypass upon verification.

If the general public is so concerned about weapons being bypassed through security, they need to start with the airport badge holders that never go through security to get to work. Not the crew that are in control of the aircraft.
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If the general public is so concerned about weapons being bypassed through security, they need to start with the airport badge holders that never go through security to get to work. Not the crew that are in control of the aircraft.

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I will second that thought. When I worked on the ramp at HNL, I never once, went through security to get to work. Unless I wanted to get some food I could get directly on the ramp with 0 checkpoints. I worked throwing luggage for a subcontractor that handled the Korean Air Lines flights. They had a 747 come through once a day. We'd unload and load the bags with complete access to the aircraft and no security checkpoints.
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On the other hand, I think that they could create in the airports a crews-only screening area. ( in the big ones at least)

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I was at SkyHarbor on Saturday picking up a friend. Here in PHX at least in terminal 4 pilots and airport employees go through there own metal detector.
I.E. there not waiting in the same line as the pax. I agree at least with that.
I don't however think that a pilot in uniform should have to wait in line with the "cattle."

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I actually got yelled at about a week ago in JAX going to work. I was going through the CREW LINE and this British man (nothing against the brits) started to yell at me about how I was "pushing in front of the cue" and how this is not "putting the customers first." I was in uniform and just kept on going. His wife was laughing during the entire thing. They were United passengers, so I wasn't overly concerned.
 
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I love how every station I go to has completely different procedures, also subject to who's in charge. My shoes only set off a couple metal detectors.... not to mention WHY DOES AKRON HAVE THE NAZI'S OF THE SYSTEM??? It's a tiny freaking airport and they go freaking ape there.

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OK, Welcome to my world if you are talking about CAK. I am not sure what the issues are, but I have heard alot of people talk about this airport.

I had problems with a wireless mouse with the USB connector stored in the mouse. They bumped it during a search and the USB connector came out and the RED LED light came on. I thought the guy was going to have a COW!!!!! Thank goodness they dont carry guns. The Sheriff came out of the office with all the screaming (from the TSA), and I had to explain about my mouse. Unfortunately I fly alot commercial and have alot of stories/issues at this airport, and I try to make sure I will not be a problem at security.
 
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I actually got yelled at about a week ago in JAX going to work. I was going through the CREW LINE and this British man (nothing against the brits) started to yell at me about how I was "pushing in front of the cue" and how this is not "putting the customers first." I was in uniform and just kept on going. His wife was laughing during the entire thing. They were United passengers, so I wasn't overly concerned.

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Did you turn around and tell him "SILENCE, mere peon!"
 
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I will second that thought. When I worked on the ramp at HNL, I never once, went through security to get to work. Unless I wanted to get some food I could get directly on the ramp with 0 checkpoints. I worked throwing luggage for a subcontractor that handled the Korean Air Lines flights. They had a 747 come through once a day. We'd unload and load the bags with complete access to the aircraft and no security checkpoints.
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I know this also, and I wasn't the employee. At HNL you dropped off the car at the hanger, walk across the ramp (or get a ride) and then ride the elevator up to the gates. This even bypasses Agriculture. When in college I could of easily carried Kona Gold to pay pay for college....but DIDN'T.
 
Pretty much every airline employee at the Orlando airport knows how to get down to the gates without going through the TSA checkpoint. You do have to have other identification, but you don't get stripped searched or the third degree.
 
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I will second that thought. When I worked on the ramp at HNL, I never once, went through security to get to work. Unless I wanted to get some food I could get directly on the ramp with 0 checkpoints. I worked throwing luggage for a subcontractor that handled the Korean Air Lines flights. They had a 747 come through once a day. We'd unload and load the bags with complete access to the aircraft and no security checkpoints.
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I know this also, and I wasn't the employee. At HNL you dropped off the car at the hanger, walk across the ramp (or get a ride) and then ride the elevator up to the gates. This even bypasses Agriculture. When in college I could of easily carried Kona Gold to pay pay for college....but DIDN'T.

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I can remember going to the ticket counters and taking a ride down the luggage belts to the bag room. Right off the street, into the apt, past the agriculture guys, down to the bag room, and onto the ramp. I would hope it is better now, but who knows.

The strange thing was once beyond the security checkpoints, we needed keys to get to the secure areas of the apt, ramp, bag rooms, etc...
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. But we had every chance we wanted to get past security if we wanted to. I really wonder how different it is now.
 
It was last summer I was at HNL for a quick weekend (highschool reunion) and not sure about the access to the ramp via Agriculture, but do know that access via the hanger (ok area, the hanger is now gone) is still easy (not like years ago, but still easy).

Sad to think that someone with knowledge could get to an airplane again.
 
An American Airlines flight enroute from Los Angeles to JFK airport in New York City was diverted to Kansas City yesterday when a passenger was noticed attempting to light a fuse protruding from his rectum. Flight Attendant Bunny Haggarty said she noticed the man seated in an aisle seat leaning forward and holding a cigarette lighter behind his legs. "I though he was just trying to light a fart," said Haggarty, "like our pilots are always doing on layovers. Then I saw this string-like thing hanging from his ass, and I got scared." Haggarty immediately called for assistance. Several male passengers subdued the man before he was able to light the fuse.

After landing in Kansas City, authorities found the man's intestines were stuffed with military grade C4 explosive. FBI agents stated that it would have been a complete catastrophe if the passenger had succeeded in lighting the fuse. The passenger, Mohammed Bin Ali El Batout Nabeel Sin Abba Rahim Mansour Ali Baba, Age 25, was carrying fourteen passports from various countries throughout the middle east. Asked why he had stuffed himself full of plastic explosives, Ali Baba stated, "I was planning to blow the chit out of the plane. I wanted to kill all the Americans and Jews to show that we are a peace loving pipple."

Airport security agents in Los Angeles remembered seeing Ali Baba as he boarded American flight 90. They were a bit concerned because his name would not fit on the front of the ticket, he was wearing a checkered tablecloth as a hat, looked like he was ready to kill someone, was reading an Al Quaeda training manual and had on a "F*** America" T-shirt. According to Federal Airport Security standards, however, individuals cannot be profiled for additional security simply because they are young, middle-eastern men who look like terrorists.

The security supervisor, Leroy Jackson, said he was somewhat concerned with the way Ali Baba walked. "Hell, man, the guy waddled like he had a stick of dynamite up his ass! Had I not been on the phone with my probation officer, I might have checked this guy out some more. "But, we want and need complete diversity in our passenger screening," stated Jackson. "Plus, we think the flight crews on those planes pose more of a threat to safety than one raghead with an exploding ass. That's why you can always find one of them pilots in barefeet waiting for his shoes to be x-rayed. I love seeing the look on their faces when we make them do that," he guffawed, adding "I just hope they don't give those guys guns, cause they might want to even the score."

Federal officials are now referring to this latest terrorist attempt as a "butt bomb". Security experts believe this could be even more difficult to detect than the primitive 'shoe bomb' used by terrorist Richard Reid. "'m not sure how we're going to check for 'butt bombs,'" stated Jackson. "We don't have technology to do it, but we've got to check somehow in the interest of safety," adding,
"I think we should start with Flight Crews first."

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The security supervisor, Leroy Jackson, said he was somewhat concerned with the way Ali Baba walked. "Hell, man, the guy waddled like he had a stick of dynamite up his ass! Had I not been on the phone with my probation officer

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If you're going to stereotype folks in stories at least make 'em funny!!!!!!!!
 
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I don't believe that Pilots should have to stand in line with other passengers. After all, they are the ones flying the plane; they don't need a box knife to kill anyone.

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But he could pass it along to other guy in the boarding area going to other airplane.
I think that everybody including air-crews should go through security, there are thousands of airline pilots, national and foreign ( foreign airlines). Among this individuals you can find people with all types of political ideas. So, you just can't never be sure.
On the other hand, I think that they could create in the airports a crews-only screening area. ( in the big ones at least)

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There is no reason working crew needs to be screened.

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Everything is possible. I'm not going to give ideas ( we can all think of at least a dozen, I am sure) but with time the terrorists could infiltrate somebody as a worker in an airline, here in the US or in another country.


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Every legitimate crew member could go through security naked and still have weapons when they arrive at their duty station (we can all think of at least a dozen I am sure). That being the case, what is the point of going through the checkpoint???

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Are you saying that if you wanted you could take a gun to the cockpit and nobody would know?

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If the general public is so concerned about weapons being bypassed through security, they need to start with the airport badge holders that never go through security to get to work. Not the crew that are in control of the aircraft.
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Well I think everybody is concern, general public and professionals alike. If your saying that a even more people (badge holders) don't go through security, then you should say something, since general public doesn't know what happens behind the curtains in an airport, ( I'd assumed that everybody with access to an airplane is searched)
 
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