Nice Job LAX BP/ICE!

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MikeD said:
If there is, I nor any of my collegues have received an email reflecting said ban, nor has anything come out from on high in briefings to that effect or implementation directives. So, the answer would be no to that.

I don't know the specifics of the case, and there's likely more to the story. Though generally speaking, it's not unusual at all for anyone to have their general person non-invasively searched or their belongings searched at a border or port, including US citizens. Although every effort is made to expedite US citizens and other authorized entrants and not to inconvenience them unless a need is seen for it. What the need was in this case, I don't know. Be nice to see some background on it or another side of the story.
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Those 70 year old children's book authors are bad, bad hombres!
 
MikeD said:
If there is, I nor any of my collegues have received an email reflecting said ban, nor has anything come out from on high in briefings to that effect or implementation directives. So, the answer would be no to that.

I don't know the specifics of the case, and there's likely more to the story. Though generally speaking, it's not unusual at all for anyone to have their general person non-invasively searched or their belongings searched at a border or port, including US citizens. Although every effort is made to expedite US citizens and other authorized entrants and not to inconvenience them unless a need is seen for it. What the need was in this case, I don't know. Be nice to see some background on it or another side of the story.
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Are officers able to ask one's religion?
 
Seggy said:
Are officers able to ask one's religion?
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If its material to a case for some reason. Be interesting to see an actual transcript of the interview, pending there is one. Generally speaking, don't know what would be material here in this case, but again, I don't know this case firsthand. Or what was and wasn't actually said or asked, besides what's claimed in the article.
 
Check out the "Border Security" show on Netflix. There are 3 versions of the show, US, Canada, and Australia. I find the episodes interesting. If a passenger is hassled at the airport upon entry on the immigration side of things, one of the top reasons is arriving as a "tourist" when they're planning to work without the proper visa. While short business trips to the US are allowed under the visa waiver program, I could see a mis-timed comment leading to an unpleasant line of questioning.
 
Seggy said:
Are officers able to ask one's religion?
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Thats kind of an interesting area, especially if the individual gets charged, detained or something comes out of the questioning. Because there are countless lawyers, including the ACLU, who would just love to see that question asked on their clients arrest report. Considering it is illegal for them to perform any stop, detention, questioning, or anything else based on religion and thus can claim religious discrimination and no probable cause for detention, however they do have a right to ask any sort of question they please (for the most part). So yes and no
 
MikeD said:
If its material to a case for some reason. Be interesting to see an actual transcript of the interview, pending there is one. Generally speaking, don't know what would be material here in this case, but again, I don't know this case firsthand. Or what was and wasn't actually said or asked, besides what's claimed in the article.
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The CBP checks every passenger ID off a domestic flight and asking citizens their religion, I didn't know we are living in 1930s Germany.
 
Seggy said:
The CBP checks every passenger ID off a domestic flight and asking citizens their religion, I didn't know we are living in 1930s Germany.
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I was driving back from Montreal in 2013, when there was a random CBP checkpoint set up in the middle of the NY thruway. "What is your citizenship?" ID, or else it'll be a problem. And on with your day.

Over 90 miles from the border.

But, Drumpf. Carry on

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Derg said:
Muhammad Ali's son was queried about his religion. That's kind of odd.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-muhammad-ali-son-detained-20170225-story.html

Might as well start asking people if they're anti-vax as those are the actual dangerous ones.
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Can you imagine the outrage after an exchange such as this:

"What's your religion, Ma'am."

"Baptist."

"Then come with me. Hope you weren't doing anything over the next two hours, because we're now going to grill the hell out of you."​
 
The problem is that a lot of people think "well, that probably wouldn't apply to me and I don't care whats done as long as I'm safe (which is an illusion)"

Because, after all, if Ali was a terr'rist, he'd never say "I'm a Muslim Extremist".

You bet your ass if the agent asked "Are you a Jew?" it would be on the front page of the newspapers.
 
bimmerphile said:
I was driving back from Montreal in 2013, when there was a random CBP checkpoint set up in the middle of the NY thruway. "What is your citizenship?" ID, or else it'll be a problem. And on with your day.

Over 90 miles from the border.

But, Drumpf. Carry on

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Nothing new, they can set up within 100 miles from a border if my memory serves me. This has been upheld by the Supreme Court many years ago. So, not Drumpf.
 
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Derg said:
The problem is that a lot of people think "well, that probably wouldn't apply to me and I don't care whats done as long as I'm safe (which is an illusion)"

Because, after all, if Ali was a terr'rist, he'd never say "I'm a Muslim Extremist".

You bet your ass if the agent asked "Are you a Jew?" it would be on the front page of the newspapers.
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Well yeah, they own the papers so.... :)
 
Seggy said:
The CBP checks every passenger ID off a domestic flight and asking citizens their religion, I didn't know we are living in 1930s Germany.
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Why do you bother asking me questions, if you've already predisposed yourself to what you think is going on?
 
bimmerphile said:
I was driving back from Montreal in 2013, when there was a random CBP checkpoint set up in the middle of the NY thruway. "What is your citizenship?" ID, or else it'll be a problem. And on with your day.

Over 90 miles from the border.

But, Drumpf. Carry on

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pullup said:
Nothing new, they can set up within 100 miles from a border if my memory serves me. This has been upheld by the Supreme Court many years ago. So, not Drumpf.
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Correct on inland checkpoints for a defense in depth philosophy (pluses and minuses to that). However, quite rare to be seen in a northern border area.

Be nice to secure the actual border, so less defense in depth would be necessary.
 
Derg said:
Muhammad Ali's son was queried about his religion. That's kind of odd.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-muhammad-ali-son-detained-20170225-story.html

Might as well start asking people if they're anti-vax as those are the actual dangerous ones.
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Would like to know the "rest of the story" on this. Because as stated, it sounds like something is missing. If he's a USC with a passport, I can't see how anything would progress to something like this. It would normally be a show and go, unless there was some reason for a search of belongings or something.
 
MikeD said:
Why do you bother asking me questions, if you've already predisposed yourself to what you think is going on?
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In my experience, the multiple times a Customs Agent met my airplane to talk to someone, they stated, "hey everyone needs to stay seated, we need to get the guy out of 10B."

What we are seeing checking everyone's ID and the detainment of a US Citizen like they did with Ali's son, asking him religious questions, isn't normal.
 
Seggy said:
In my experience, the multiple times a Customs Agent met my airplane to talk to someone, they stated, "hey everyone needs to stay seated, we need to get the guy out of 10B."

What we are seeing checking everyone's ID and the detainment of a US Citizen like they did with Ali's son, asking him religious questions, isn't normal.
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And that's why I said I would love to know what the rest of the story is.

Something is missing here, especially in the Ali case. Because as a USC with a passport, he should've been in and out. If what is alleged to have occurred is true, then some things had to have happened in between him just showing up at the Customs desk, and his then being asked about religion. It's like going from A to E, without there being a B, C, and D. So I'd love to know what the rest of the story is.

In the cabin case, officials may not always know where someone is seated, especially if they're operating under an unknown alias. However the LE personnel should be able to be a little more discreet, by having maybe a photo or a specific description, and then hang out at the exit of the jetway into the terminal, and watch everyone who goes by to see if the person they're looking for deplanes the aircraft or isn't there.
 
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