New Regional Starting Up in '07

How does it not make sense to operate the 70 seaters on mainline, but all the costs with having a separate airline are okay to consume?

Oh, they can pay the pilots less if it's non-mainline. Oh.
 
What the article fails to mention is that NWALPA has promised to strike and shut the Company down if NW tries to implement the "NewCo." plan.
 
*BOHICA*

For those uninformed in this language.. "bend over here it comes again!":eek: Sometimes I wonder why I picked such a messed up occupation. This industry could be better managed by 5 year olds - rather we get MBA's who don't value the money, training and time we put in for this career but they view many of us as little boys that get all giddy about being a jet pilot! They say you love the job, flying and the lifestyle - Lifestyle? riiight... and if you have a problem with any of that we'll create another company with people that would gladly take your jobs/routes whatever.. Its funny they're talking about doing all this with a new company yet they still aren't paying mesaba for flying their routes.. If they are in bankruptcy and are putting financial burdens on its third party carriers by not paying THEM for their flights how do they have the audacity to come out and say this? Labor issues aside! You also gotta love this line that you read EVERYWHERE about all carriers..

"The carrier, which filed for bankruptcy in September, has been battered along with other major carriers by soaring fuel costs, weak revenue and low-fare competition."

I'll give them the low fare competition part - but its not just southwest and jetblue - the majors are undercutting eachother! And excuse me - but when your cost of operation goes up - (i.e. fuel/insurance etc. etc.) you RAISE PRICES! When all these carriers are still getting GOOD load factors they have no excuse in my mind - because nobody has heard of low load factors and high ticket prices yet - but EVERYONE bitches aobut the price of gas... The world isn't getting any cheaper and the people selling the tickets AND the ones buying them need to get a clue! Labor costs and fuel costs are NOT the problem with the airlines - its the idiots running them. Period.
 
:mad: I think it's time for a national pilots union (CFI's) included. That way the CFI's that except these jobs will be seen as scabs.
 
aloft said:
You need to find out what a "scab" is before using the term so loosely; that isn't it.
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Maybe so, but it seems to be becoming just as important of an issue/problem in our industry. Wouldn't you agree?
 
mach77 said:
:mad: I think it's time for a national pilots union (CFI's) included. That way the CFI's that except these jobs will be seen as scabs.
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here's what webster has to say:

3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
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and that seems to be the catch-all.
 
"one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms"

Skywest pilots are non-union and you could probably find some union airline that makes more than them. Does that make Omar a scab? Sure he'll be glad to hear that.

Despite Webster, the defination of a scab, in the airline biz, is one who crosses a union picket line during a strike. We really shouldn't mess with that. The Freedom guys weren't scabs, the Gulfstream guys aren't scabs, and the Gojet guys aren't scabs. All these help lead the race to the bottom, but calling them scabs is inaccurate.
 
DE727UPS said:
"one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms"

Skywest pilots are non-union and you could probably find some union airline that makes more than them. Does that make Omar a scab? Sure he'll be glad to hear that.

Despite Webster, the defination of a scab, in the airline biz, is one who crosses a union picket line during a strike. We really shouldn't mess with that. The Freedom guys weren't scabs, the Gulfstream guys aren't scabs, and the Gojet guys aren't scabs. All these help lead the race to the bottom, but calling them scabs is inaccurate.
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Whoa.....

In no way was I referring to Omar, Chuck, Jdflight, ....and all others who fit the 'regional' description, never said it, didnt infer it, don't assume it ;). I was just pointing out that according to the listing in the dictionary (for what it's worth, I know, not much) that #4 seemed to fit the description.

I actually had never seen that description before. I, like others would refer to a scab as "crossing the picket line" of a union on strike or a situation like that.
 
Don is correct. Don't throw that word around. That is a very volatile word in aviation. If you don't use it properly you sound like an idiot.

Think of just blurting out the n word in a room full of people. Not that bad but you get the idea.
 
Mr_Creepy said:
Don is correct. Don't throw that word around. That is a very volatile word in aviation. If you don't use it properly you sound like an idiot.

Think of just blurting out the n word in a room full of people. Not that bad but you get the idea.
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Thanks again John for yet another great example.:sarcasm:
 
Mr creepy, I am using the word properly. The #4 def. in the dictionary as stated above. It's funny how people don't have a problem throwing around words like furlough, laid off and terminated thats exactly whats going to happen to the Northwest guys when little johnny rich kid from purdue takes his job for fricken peanuts.
 
mach77 said:
when little johnny rich kid from purdue takes his job for fricken peanuts.
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I'm sorry, that title belongs more to ERAU than Purdue. Currently, a majority of our grads (in recent years) are working at CHQ, Piedmont or TSA (no GJ pilots that I know of)... Note the complete lack of Mesa, Great Lakes and Pinnacle/Mesaba.
 
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