kellwolf
Piece of Trash
There's a lot of truth to that. Missed trips aren't FAA violations. In fact, if they DID miss trip you for an illegal rest issue, I'm sure the FAA would LOVE to hear about that.....
New Reduced Rest at Colgan?
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There's a lot of truth to that. Missed trips aren't FAA violations. In fact, if they DID miss trip you for an illegal rest issue, I'm sure the FAA would LOVE to hear about that.....
Airdale
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Changes are in the air VERY soon, like within 8 hours
dingo222 said:
Forgot to ask. Whats going on?
kellwolf
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Forgot to ask. Whats going on?
Yeah, I'm a little curious, too. Maybe Seggs has heard domething from his super secret inside sources on the scope grievance......
Airdale
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Hmmm....scope grievance? At Colgan? With the exception of the Q400 I didn't think there were any issues. Unless the CAL pilots object to the number of seats on the Q. But if thats the case, why the long wait until they reacted?
Who knows...but I'm curious as to whats going on.
Actually I just thought of something. CAL didn't want RAH flying anything larger then 50 seats for them, therefore the CAL Express contract went on our CHQ certificate as opposed to Republic (70+ seats). Well the Q400 has what, 72 or 74 seats correct? If CAL scope out Republic and Shuttle, why would they allow Colgan with the Q400? Makes more sense now, but I would have thought if CAL scope out 51+ seats, they wouldn't have signed a deal with Colgan. But I could be way off base here. Just something I thought of.
SmitteyB
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Negative...
If the PNCL Pilot Group wins the scope against management then they would win the right to fly the Q, which means they wouldn't be able to have Colgan's pilots fly them.
With that being said, they would negotiate a Q400 payrate, through ALPA...
In the long run we could be looking at a Mohawk-Allegheny.
This might be incentive for Uncle Phil and his cronies to start fair negotiations.
If the PNCL Pilot Group wins the scope against management then they would win the right to fly the Q, which means they wouldn't be able to have Colgan's pilots fly them.
With that being said, they would negotiate a Q400 payrate, through ALPA...
In the long run we could be looking at a Mohawk-Allegheny.
This might be incentive for Uncle Phil and his cronies to start fair negotiations.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Seggy doesn't know anything. And neither do I. Nothing to see here. Move along please.
In my best Baghdad Bob impersonation: "Scope grievance? There is no scope grievance. The PCL MEC has no power here."
Nick
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That is a good question.
The answer is, that fifty seat scope does not apply to turboprops. The Q400 is Continental's only way to contract out flying with more than fifty seats.
dingo222
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yup, because it's t-prop flying. Becuase A q400 won't be flying EWR-ATL, or den or anywhere else like some of these Jungle jets are.
Nick
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Well, that is not completely true. The Q400 is already scheduled to do some routes that both mainline and RJs currently fly to. RDU is an example.
Nick
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And those aren't even the longest legs these "regional" jets fly.
EWR-OMA 1134nm
IAH-GRR 1042nm
IAH-YYZ 1280nm
How about LAX-ZIH/ACA:
1538/1656 nm
500 miles farther than EWR-OMA in an RJ !!!
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...
Nick
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4+37 block time a few weeks ago . . .
However, that route simply would not exist as a 7x weekly nonstop service if it had to be a 120 seat jet. So at least it is not a route that used to be mainline.
Airdale
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Regionals are taking over the less profitable mainline routes, saving mainline money. RAH flies PHL-HOU, but only on the days and hours that the mainline aircraft average very little profit.
Same thing Colgan will do. Just because they are props, doesn't mean they aren't doing the same thing every Regional aircraft is doing. Either way, we're all outsourced labor. Q in Seggy in 5.....4......3.....2......1....
Nick
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I beg to differ.
Raleigh, North Carolina to Newark.
On one end, a city with the best educated population in the nation (most PhDs and graduate degrees per capita). Pharmaceutical companies abound. A city with a nonstop flight to London because GlaxoSmithCline has a research facility there, and the nonstop 777 service is now going to go straight to Heathrow instead of Gatwick.
On the other end, a world financial capital and the largest city in the USA. Several of the wealthiest counties in the country within a 90 minute drive. Connections to all over Europe, Asia, South America, and the US.
No shortage of elite passengers currently booked in the next week, on flights that can accommodate their upgrade.
Regional airlines most definitely are flying on routes that are profitable.
Airdale
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So then why would mainline contract those routes, if those routes made them money? Why would they pull a larger aircraft (which means more $$$) and replace it with a smaller, outsourced Regional aircraft? Doesn't make any business sense to me.
What makes business sense to me is, " If we can't consistently make a profit with our mainline aircraft, then we look to our Regional partners." If thats not how it works, then I'm not sure how this business is able to stay airborne.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Airdale, the problem is that you're trying to make business sense of it. It's not about business. It's about ego gratification. Airline executives will waste countless millions and give up ungodly amounts of profit just to screw over labor, especially pilots. It's all a big game to them, and the objective of the game is to build their own egos up while tearing us down. Make no mistake about it, this isn't really about good business at all.
OldTownPilot
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http://flightaware.com/live/findflight_route.rvt?origin=ZNY&destination=KRDU
Now thats screwed up. 3 flights a day out of 33 flights not on RJs. and today is a crap weather day so there are probably more that are cancelled.
Now thats screwed up. 3 flights a day out of 33 flights not on RJs. and today is a crap weather day so there are probably more that are cancelled.
ljg
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The RDU elite fly on NetJets and CitationShares to TEB, not EWR...and most definitely not on RJ's. I, too, don't really understand what's happening with scope. You can buy a $600 dollar ticket now on a legacy, connect through a major hub (CVG especially comes to mind), and never set foot on a mainline aircraft.
Nick
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The frequent flyers and VIPs of Raleigh, and other cities across the country, most certainly do fly on RJs and into EWR. Sure, the top executives and convenient sized groups may regularly fly on corporate aircraft, but if they need to get to Europe then they are likely to be on an RJ making a connection at a hub like EWR or JFK.
American Airlines has the daily flight to LGW almost exclusively for the pharmaceutical companies in the vincinity of RDU. There are research centers west of London as I mentioned in the other post. A captain I know for AA based at JFK had a reserve trip a few years ago and did this flight; they sent him down to RDU the day before to operate it. He said there were a few dozen people in coach but business and first class were completely full.
This flight is one good example of that. Half or more of the people getting on planes to Europe tonight out of EWR did not drive to that airport, they came in from elsewhere on CAL, XJT, Colgan, and whoever else.