New FAA Writtens (ATPw = 30h ground + 6hr Level C Sim from Aug-14)

ok...I just want to confirm. I will be at ~1300 hours by August 1st, so I will hit the magic 1500 somewhere around November. If I take the written now, I will not have to take it again after August? Also, I will not need to take that new class with the sim?

Just confirming that this is what is being said here.
 
Boyington said:
ok...I just want to confirm. I will be at ~1300 hours by August 1st, so I will hit the magic 1500 somewhere around November. If I take the written now, I will not have to take it again after August? Also, I will not need to take that new class with the sim?

Just confirming that this is what is being said here.
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That is my understanding too, i will get my written done in July but i will to my checkride within two years of that and i will not need the class.
 
Boyington said:
ok...I just want to confirm. I will be at ~1300 hours by August 1st, so I will hit the magic 1500 somewhere around November. If I take the written now, I will not have to take it again after August? Also, I will not need to take that new class with the sim?

Just confirming that this is what is being said here.
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Once you have your written in hand, you can take the check-ride just like always. The written is good for 24 months, so you should have no problem.


If you go to initial training at an airline or get a type rating at Simuflight, then those courses will qualify you to take the written under the new rules.
 
Add 20-30% to that FAA estimated cost of $5,800 for the training required to take the test.

The FAA can't even estimate the actual cost of NextGen. CBO and GAO have been saying this for years. The FAA is always under-estimating costs we'll below actual.


FAA mission statement needs to go back to "Promoting Aviation", not doing everything in its' power to make things more complicated and costly for Users.
 
The FAA: it's there to help...so long as it's not being lobbied to legislate against the average Joe's best interests. It strongly seems like the new ATP certification process was drafted by part 141/142 flight school lobbyists.
 
Hard to foretell, but my layman's guess is that the airlines will demand that pilot applicants pay for it out of pocket themselves. The regionals aren't known for treating their pilots very well. I don't see why we should expect that to change any time soon given that this will increase training costs for regionals...and this begs the question how the heck a poor CFI will be able to afford this?

That will really be unfortunate to anyone who will not able to get to ATP mins soon and be able to take the knowledge exam. If you haven't taken the test yet, do so ASAP before 31 July, 2014. Myself, I didn't have any expectations to be employed by an airline by any certain date, but I'm strongly being attracted towards that route now because of this new ruling.
 
Beech90 said:
So are we expected to foot the bill for it? Or will the airlines?

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According to the flow, why would anyone get their time then go drop 7k+, if it's available as initial training by an airline? 135 is understandable as most outfits don't have the resources, but 121 companies certainly due.
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Unless I'm missing something, and in usually am, don't most jobs 135 (even sic) or 121 require the ATP written done as a prerequisite?

All the jobs I apply for all say 135 mins and ATP written passed.
sounds like in the future only aviation degree holding pilots with a ridiculous amount of time $ and patience will be eligible for a job. (That pays so well I'm sure they'll be lining up)
 
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Unless I'm missing something, and in usually am, don't most jobs 135 (even sic) or 121 require the ATP written done as a prerequisite?
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Yes. I can't imagine a CFI who won't meet the mins in 24 months, would be willing to pay for this? I have the time, but not the age. Luckily with my current flying gig, and only rent to pay, I can easily save for this. Or buy a new car.
 
Instead of 15 people interviewing and 5 showing for class, it may be 5 interviewing and 1 showing for class if they aren't willing to foot the bill IMHO. I know people at Riddle that are struggling to pay for their CFI or get past 300TT let alone worry about this.
 
It will certainly exacerbate whatever staffing problems the regionals must confront in the upcoming years. $5k - $10k for ATP training just to land that 20k job doesn't sound very appealing.
 
Cloud Surfer said:
It will certainly exacerbate whatever staffing problems the regionals must confront in the upcoming years. $5k - $10k for ATP training just to land that 20k job doesn't sound very appealing.
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That's what I'm saying, how many are going to spend the money and take the time to get a degree, get private, instrument, commercial, CFI, CFII and multi, then spend a couple years as a CFI making nothing, then spill another $7-10k just to be eligible for a job that pays the same as a fast food employee.
 
That's what I'm saying, how many are going to spend the money and take the time to get a degree, get private, instrument, commercial, CFI, CFII and multi, then spend a couple years as a CFI making nothing, then spill another $7-10k just to be eligible for a job that pays the same as a fast food employee.
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None. I'm glad I'm not starting out right now. I can't imagine it would cost the regionals 7-10k for the course...the most expensive thing about it, is the sim time, which you have to do anyway? It would just be an extra week of training. I guess when you factor in hotel cost, training pay..
 
It is likely most students will receive there ATP (restricted or unrestricted) through their first Part 121 flying job. This may become the natural solution due to the similarity of current Part 121 training programs at airlines and the previously defined ATP training course. These training programs are already equipped with the required instructors, simulators, and standardized training environment in place. Most of these airlines have experienced sizable stagnation and should have the facilities and instructors in place to accommodate a 7 day training period in addition to other introductory training. What is even more likely is that ATP and Type training received prior to receiving the ATP, should streamline the currently taught company indoctrination and type training now received at most airlines. The ATP certification program would be a reasonable extension of this training environment.

One positive result from this added investment by airlines could be greater loyalty to current pilots as training replacements becomes more expensive. This may also result in airlines investing more in pre-screening, pilot cultivation, and career development.
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From the said article above. Obviously it's all opinion right now, but it makes somewhat sense.
 
It's pretty sad when you look out and see the guy with a high school diploma pumping fuel into the wings and you know he makes more than you, and probably doesn't have $100k in student loans, and he goes home to his family every night.

Hopefully something good comes out if this new reg.
 
So, say that the airlines do undertake the costs of training applicants up to these new standards. Will they only then require applicants to meet ATP mins without having the ATP written completed? It'll be hard for someone to take the written if s/he can't afford it. I guess only time will tell.
 
So, say that the airlines do undertake the costs of training applicants up to these new standards. Will they only then require applicants to meet ATP mins now without having the ATP written completed? It'll be hard for someone to take the written if s/he can't afford it. I guess only time will tell.
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Possibly. You only need to technically meet ATP mins before your checkride and start IOE. Everything outlined in the course is what you go through during initial training anyway. IMHO it would make sense to have a trainee complete initial training, take the ATP written, then the checkride/type IOE etc.
 
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