New CFI Temp, what is my expiration

[Ian_J]

Here's a breakdown:

Butt: "You don't need a pilot certificate to instruct."

He's right. My non - pilot wife can "instruct" me in how to make better landings. (And she has! "That was a little bouncy, wasn't it?")

Others: "It can't be logged as dual, nor can it count for a certificate or rating."

They're right.

This thread could have been 3 posts long!

 

[Stone Cold]

That's not true. Where did you get "You can't tell anybody you did it"? Of course you can. You can tel anyone you want, even the local FSDO Inspector and even do an extensive write-up in your logbook about it. Just don't put it in the "instruction received" column.

Okay, I overstated that...you can tell anybody you want. It just does you no good was my point when it comes to the legalities of it (logging it being the biggest one).

Value?

Hmm. You live in Podunk and just bought a high-performance airplane. You have enough experience that all the insurance company cares about is a 1-hour checkout with a CFI, but you really want to learn the airplane.

The nearest qualified CFI is 60 miles away. On top of that, his primary "qualification" is that he's a CFI, but his time in type is pretty minimal.

Fortunately, there's a non-CFI at your airport. Heck, let's go further. He's 70 years old, retired airline captain, lost his medical due to a heart condition, and, he's got 80 bazillion hours in the type airplane you just bought.

I don't know how you would approach learning how to fly that airplane, but I'll take care of the 1-hour requirement with the CFI, but "knock myself out" learn how to fly it from the ex-captain.

Okay, so you found the one situation in a million that would be benficial! As far as the CFI, though, in your scenario, you still have to get your checkout with him, so I'm not sure how getting pointers in an airplane would invalidate others' points on this thread...to give instruction for the insurance requirement, you need a CFI.

In your scenario, it's too bad the retired Captain didn't keep his CFI cert current...then all would be legal to get checked out with just him!anic:

...It happened here with Stone cold, it's happened before with other people here, and it'll unfortunately happen again.

I never expected to come out of this thread with the same beliefs I had when coming in. The same goes for any thread on any message board. I just wish I wasn't alone on this.

I have no problems learning new things when it comes to these threads and other things aviation-wise. I love learning. However, when people argue the same thing ad-nauseum, and don't listen to what's been said, that is when I "give up". You need a pilot cert, but not a valid medical to continue instructing. You need a Comm cert to initially receive your CFI. My frustration was with you bringing up Part 119, which has no basis in the argument.

As far as if you get your certificate revoked, or get knocked down to a PVT, I have no clue, but would ASSume since you no longer can be paid for flying legally, then you probably couldn't be an instructor, legally.

Here's a breakdown:

Butt: "You don't need a pilot certificate to instruct."

He's right. My non - pilot wife can "instruct" me in how to make better landings. (And she has! "That was a little bouncy, wasn't it?")

Others: "It can't be logged as dual, nor can it count for a certificate or rating."

They're right.

This thread could have been 3 posts long!

:yeahthat: Thank you!!

 

[moxiepilot]

Well it happened to not work out that way so lets all just huddle together and cry ourselves a collective electronic river.

that's a little rude considereing all the people who are putting time here to work with you.

 

[Blip16]

that's a little rude considereing all the people who are putting time here to work with you.

i agree, it should NOT have happened

 

[nosehair]

As far as if you get your certificate revoked, or get knocked down to a PVT, I have no clue, but would ASSume since you no longer can be paid for flying legally, then you probably couldn't be an instructor, legally.

Here's a little piece of info that might be of interest to everyone:

When the FAA suspends or revokes your certificate(s) for any FAA violation, they always suspend or revoke ALL of your FAA certificate(s).

They don't "bust ya to a Private", or suspend/revoke your Commercial and leave you with Flight Instructor, they take EVERYTHING - even Ground Instructor.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

When you said "a CFI is only needed for instruction that is logged or counted toward FAR requirements of one type or another" were you admitting you don't need a pilot certificate to be a CFI

Not at all. I was only saying that

"a CFI is only needed for instruction that is logged or counted toward FAR requirements of one type or another"

IOW, from a regulatory stand point, one only needs to be a CFI to give instruction that is to be logged or counted toward an FAR requirement. It was most definitely not a comment on what else might be required.

Especially in the context of the rest of the post, I'm not sure how you misinterpreted that one unless, of course, (a) you are doing it intentionally to get more mileage from this discussion (troll) or (2) when you see the sign at the grocers that says "Shirt and shoes required" your conclusion is that it's perfectly okay to go in bottomless.

 

[butt]

that's a little rude considereing all the people who are putting time here to work with you.

...Says the one who implied its "unfortunate" that I'm a CFI based on my critical thinking of some FARs. No less, this all coming from someone who actually tried to argue that a CFI certificate is a pilot certificate.

Anyways, that comment wasn't directed to the one who are even somewhat contributing to this discussion. It was directed at those who have nothing else better to say than to put down this discussion because it happened to occur in a throw-away thread that was already answered. That, to me, is trolling.

When the FAA suspends or revokes your certificate(s) for any FAA violation, they always suspend or revoke ALL of your FAA certificate(s).

You have a reference on this? I just don't believe this is true. Are you making this up, or do you having anything (even anecdotal) to back up your claim? If you can provide evidence that the FAA only ever axes everything you have, I'll agree with you.

Not at all. I was only saying that

"a CFI is only needed for instruction that is logged or counted toward FAR requirements of one type or another"

IOW, from a regulatory stand point, one only needs to be a CFI to give instruction that is to be logged or counted toward an FAR requirement. It was most definitely not a comment on what else might be required.

Especially in the context of the rest of the post, I'm not sure how you misinterpreted that one unless, of course, (a) you are doing it intentionally to get more mileage from this discussion (troll) or (2) when you see the sign at the grocers that says "Shirt and shoes required" your conclusion is that it's perfectly okay to go in bottomless.

If the sign said "shirt and shoes ONLY required", then then it is perfectly OK yo go in bottomless.

You said, and I quote "a CFI is only needed for instruction that is logged or counted toward FAR requirements of one type or another"

So then what exactly are you saying? In order to log training for a certificate or rating, you only need a CFI to give instruction. Do you need anything else? Do you need a commercial license or not? If not, why did you say "only"? I'm not trolling, I just want you to clarify what you're saying exactly.

 

[Blip16]

So then what exactly are you saying? In order to log training for a certificate or rating, you only need a CFI to give instruction. Do you need anything else? Do you need a commercial license or not? If not, why did you say "only"?

look at the back side of your CFI, you will have your answer

 

[PanJet]

You said, and I quote "a CFI is only needed for instruction that is logged or counted toward FAR requirements of one type or another"

So then what exactly are you saying? In order to log training for a certificate or rating, you only need a CFI to give instruction. Do you need anything else? Do you need a commercial license or not? If not, why did you say "only"? I'm not trolling, I just want you to clarify what you're saying exactly.

Butt, quit twisting what is being said. A basic 8th grade level english should tell you that the placement of the word "only" in Midlife's sentence did not in any way imply that a CFI was the only certificate required. If he had meant that he would have said "Only a CFI is needed..." That completely changes the meaning.

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. I'm not going to contribute to this argument anymore.

 

[jrh]

If there was an award for "Stupidest thread in the CFI Corner" this would definitely be one of the nominees!

I want the last 20 minutes of my life back.

 

[butt]

Butt, quit twisting what is being said. A basic 8th grade level english should tell you that the placement of the word "only" in Midlife's sentence did not in any way imply that a CFI was the only certificate required. If he had meant that he would have said "Only a CFI is needed..." That completely changes the meaning.

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. I'm not going to contribute to this argument anymore.

What the heck is the difference between "Only a CFI is needed to...", and "A CFI is only needed to..."? How the on earth can you imply that those two phrases have different meanings?

Are you saying he meant "The only thing a CFI is required for is to give instruction for certificates or ratings"? If that's the case, then well he's wrong. A CFI can do more than just give training for a certificate or rating.

Can you at least admit his wording was ambiguous?