New Cessna...Cirrus Killer

rickyrhodesii

rickyrhodesii

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I was reading an article in Plane&Pilot (January2006) and they briefly wrote about a new Cessna single-engine aircraft. The new Cessna, dubbed the "Cirrus Killer," is quoted as "brand-new, next-generation."

Has anyone heard anything on this new Cessna? Specs...pics?
 
rickyrhodesii said:
I was reading an article in Plane&Pilot (January2006) and they briefly wrote about a new Cessna single-engine aircraft. The new Cessna, dubbed the "Cirrus Killer," is quoted as "brand-new, next-generation."

Has anyone heard anything on this new Cessna? Specs...pics?
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Yeah, still going to be a high-wing... but that's all I know.
 
Hopefully I can fit both myself and my knees in it. Diamond seemed to forget that people over 6' like to bring their legs with them.

Do you think it will be a 172 replacement or something more along the lines of a 182 or larger?
 
Timbuff10 said:
Hopefully I can fit both myself and my knees in it. Diamond seemed to forget that people over 6' like to bring their legs with them.

Do you think it will be a 172 replacement or something more along the lines of a 182 or larger?
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Well this is just my opinion but here is what I think Cessan will do:

All new design
High Wing
Strutless
Not a replacement for the 172/182
Retractable
200 KIAS Cruise
300+HP
1000 NM Long Range Cruise
Glass Panel
4-6 seats

I'm might be way off, I might not. But if they want to actually build a "Cirrus Killer," they'll have to go for the TKO.
 
Timbuff10 said:
Do you think it will be a 172 replacement or something more along the lines of a 182 or larger?
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I doubt they would replace the 172. I think Cirrus is more competition for the 182. Cirrus should be more worried than Cessna about aircraft sales.

Me personally if I had money to buy either plane I would buy an old V35 Bonanza. One of our leaseback owners just bought a A36 Bonanza with a turbo normalizer in it and it is retarded fast. He flew it to the Bahamas at 17,500ft and 290 knots over the ground, burning 16 GPH. For a plane that cost 100K less than a 182 and 150K less than a SR-22 you cant beat that. I guess I'm just a sucker for the old "doctor killers"
 
stuckingfk said:
well this is just my opinion but here is what I think Cessan will do:

All new design
High Wing
Strutless
Not a replacement for the 172/182
Retractable
200 KIAS Cruise
300+HP
1000 NM Long Range Cruise
Glass Panel
4-6 seats

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So pretty much bring back the T210.:)
 
ryanmickG said:
So pretty much bring back the T210.:)
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I don't think it'll be quite as complex or large as the T210. If they were still making the R model the price would be near a million. It wouldn't be to much of a Cirrus competitor. A used '86 R model goes for more than a brand new Cirrus does now. I'm thinking more along the lines of a beefed up Cardinal. People always said it was ahead of it's time, maybe its time is now?
 
stuckingfk said:
Well this is just my opinion but here is what I think Cessan will do:

All new design
High Wing
Strutless
Not a replacement for the 172/182
Retractable
200 KIAS Cruise
300+HP
1000 NM Long Range Cruise
Glass Panel
4-6 seats

I'm might be way off, I might not. But if they want to actually build a "Cirrus Killer," they'll have to go for the TKO.
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You hit it on the head. They're bringing back the Cardinal RG with a turbine and a chute. Much excitement.
 
stuckingfk said:
Well this is just my opinion but here is what I think Cessan will do:

All new design
High Wing
Strutless
Not a replacement for the 172/182
Retractable
200 KIAS Cruise
300+HP
1000 NM Long Range Cruise
Glass Panel
4-6 seats

I'm might be way off, I might not. But if they want to actually build a "Cirrus Killer," they'll have to go for the TKO.
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Kinda like this (maybe not pressurized)?

Cessna needs something to compete. The Cirrui are just so much more airplane for the $$. Aren't the 182/206 prices comparable to the SR20/SR22's?
 
The reason Cessna is still king in this industry is because insurance companies love them. Remember insurance companies rule GA. It is true that Cirrus is a better airplane for the money compared to the 182, but when your paying 10 times the insurance premiums for a Cirrus the, 182 starts looking better.
 
wheelsup said:
Cessna needs something to compete. The Cirrui are just so much more airplane for the $$. Aren't the 182/206 prices comparable to the SR20/SR22's?
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The Cirrui aren't more airplane for the money - you get a little bit more speed, much less payload (than the 206, FAR less payload and two fewer seats), higher insurance premiums and a whole lot less room.

What are you getting? Some fancy avionics, a parachute and a high price tag.
 
stuckingfk said:
Retractable
4-6 seats
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Retractables are dead, IMHO. There is absoloutely no need for retractable gear in a light, single engine GA aircraft anymore. LancAir proved you can give people who shouldn't be flying an aircraft that can do 250+kts an aircraft that can do 250+kts and do with straight gear.

Retractable gear is just multiple problems waiting to happen.

1) Pilots forget it.
2) It adds cost to the insurance (sure some one who can afford a new aircraft should be able to afford the insurance but "rich" people don't get/stay rich by throwing uneccesary money around)
2) It adds more weight thereby reducing the speed gain.
3) They only add 20kts at best (if you really need to get there 20kts faster well then buy/charter a twin)
4) More moving parts = exponentiolly higer maintenance costs. Sure a new aircraft will be under warranty but what happens when the warranty runs out?

As far as 4 -6 seats go Cessna should concentrate on a 4 seat design that will, I don't know, actually carry 4 people, with full fuel and say 50 or 60lbs of baggage per seat. The age of the six seat aircraft is dead, I think, and it never really existed anyway as there isn't a single out there that can truly carry six people comfortably, not to mention with bags and/or full fuel.

I dunno, 210s are/were over ratted in my book. Gimme a 206 any day.

If Cessna really wanted to make a next-gen aircraft they'd throw a PT6A up front and be done with it. Turbines are far more idiot proof than 1940's-era piston designs. Plus Jet-A is cheaper.
 
stuckingfk said:
Well this is just my opinion but here is what I think Cessan will do:

All new design
High Wing
Strutless
Not a replacement for the 172/182
Retractable
200 KIAS Cruise
300+HP
1000 NM Long Range Cruise
Glass Panel
4-6 seats
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Sounds like a souped up Cardinal!
 
The RG is ok. The straight-leg w/180hp is not too good at power off landings though, I grant you that.

I don't know why people are talking about Cardinals, so far what was describer above is a turbocharged Centurion (T-210)
 
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