new 1500 hour rule and pilot pay

embraer07 said:
In any case, I think the state of the world and this country is different now. 10 years ago the economy was in much better shape than it is now. People are much less willing to spend money these days, hence less flight students.
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Hence fewer airline passengers as well, unless they can keep ticket prices in check. I'm not going to tell you that there won't be a pilot shortage. But I am going to tell you that so long as there jets, and so long as those jets are shiny, there will also be an endless line of schmucks who will gladly sell their souls to the devil for a chance at real live airline pilot stardom. And if the devil ain't buyin' souls this week, they'll find someone who will. Or they'll sell plasma, or they'll sell crack or anything else they can get their hands on.

And keep in mind as well that bankers want to make money. So even if Sally and Fanny and Freddy never give another loan to a flight student, someone is going to see that market potential for what it is and gladly offer to fill it.
 
kellwolf said:
And that's the key right there. If there IS a shortage of qualified pilots, it's gonna be at the regional level. We've already got plenty of guys toiling away at the regionals that would stab each other just to interview at a major.
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Completely agree. There won't be shortage at the majors. There will be a severe shortage at the regionals. At the very least, FO pay will have to be raised. Crap 1st year pay will be a thing of the past. Best of all, the Unions wont all raising of FO pay without raising everybody's pay.
 
With this new legislation, what's going to happen to a place like Great Lakes? I don't see how people go there to fly is with first year pay at 14k or something like that. But with a 1500 hour requirement, who in their right mind would work there?
 
B767 said:
With this new legislation, what's going to happen to a place like Great Lakes? I don't see how people go there to fly is with first year pay at 14k or something like that. But with a 1500 hour requirement, who in their right mind would work there?
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Back "in the day" when Lakes mins were much higher, they had plenty of applicants. It will be same with this new law.
 
Great Lakes is still what seems to be a good gig....from what I hear/see, the upgrade time is quick...be at the majors much faster than someone who is at Skywest (minus the stability and pay....and sleek airplane). But hell, I would do it.

Another thing...I'm a 1,000 hour pilot working my way up the ladder...my current job is as a flight instructor. I'm definately glad the 1,500 rule came out because now you don't have these short cut people trying to get in at 500TT to fly a jet...they just don't appreciate the job. And many of them, few of them I know personally, wanted to skip the whole instruction step...being a CFI was one of the best moves I've made in my life, I've learned so much more than I ever would going from a fresh comm/ticket and a little CFJ sim time to "get in" at the airlines when I'm 15 years old with 25 hours of multi....the "quality" of pilot has gone down, and now it's a good time to bring it back up.:cool:
 
kh15 said:
Great Lakes is still what seems to be a good gig....from what I hear/see, the upgrade time is quick...be at the majors much faster than someone who is at Skywest (minus the stability and pay....and sleek airplane). But hell, I would do it.
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I don't think ANYONE has a quick upgrade time, and I doubt there's gonna be a quick trip to the majors with all the guys on the street/CAs at regionals with 2000-3000 TPIC time waiting in line.
 
I remember back in 2006 hearing about this but the idea of a 1500 hour rule being laughed at by pretty much everyone...

Its good its being pushed into effect I saw a few weeks ago on CNN that it had made it through the "House," has it been voted on or passed in the Senate yet? And if not when will it be voted on?:clap:
 
I dont think someone who says this:
kh15 said:
Great Lakes is still what seems to be a good gig....from what I hear/see, the upgrade time is quick...be at the majors much faster than someone who is at Skywest (minus the stability and pay....and sleek airplane). But hell, I would do it.
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...is qualified to say this:
kh15 said:
I'm definately glad the 1,500 rule came out because now you don't have these short cut people trying to get in at 500TT to fly a jet...they just don't appreciate the job.
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What about respecting the hard work you put into becoming a CFI and working up to the (new) 1500 hours? And you're going to take a huge irony-filled DUMP on that by jumping into a $16/hour airline job for quick upgrade time while saying other people 'dont appreciate the job'?

It really sounds like you're just piecing together random bits of what other people have posted online, without understanding any of the context or bigger picture.
 
Clocks said:
I dont think someone who says this:

...is qualified to say this:

What about respecting the hard work you put into becoming a CFI and working up to the (new) 1500 hours? And you're going to take a huge irony-filled DUMP on that by jumping into a $16/hour airline job for quick upgrade time while saying other people 'dont appreciate the job'?

It really sounds like you're just piecing together random bits of what other people have posted online, without understanding any of the context or bigger picture.
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Glad someone said it.
 
kh15 said:
Great Lakes is still what seems to be a good gig....from what I hear/see, the upgrade time is quick...be at the majors much faster than someone who is at Skywest (minus the stability and pay....and sleek airplane). But hell, I would do it.

Another thing...I'm a 1,000 hour pilot working my way up the ladder...my current job is as a flight instructor. I'm definately glad the 1,500 rule came out because now you don't have these short cut people trying to get in at 500TT to fly a jet...they just don't appreciate the job. And many of them, few of them I know personally, wanted to skip the whole instruction step...being a CFI was one of the best moves I've made in my life, I've learned so much more than I ever would going from a fresh comm/ticket and a little CFJ sim time to "get in" at the airlines when I'm 15 years old with 25 hours of multi....the "quality" of pilot has gone down, and now it's a good time to bring it back up.:cool:
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Why is it that everyone says CFI is the "best move" they ever made and that they learn a lot, blah blah blah.....I m a CFI as well, but I dont think I know more now than I did when I was a newly minted commercial...All I get everyday is temperamental customers (notice I use the word customer, NOT student) who don't speak English well enough to talk on the radio and get mad at me for putting my fingers at the control.
 
jowong1 said:
Why is it that everyone says CFI is the "best move" they ever made and that they learn a lot, blah blah blah.....I m a CFI as well, but I dont think I know more now than I did when I was a newly minted commercial...All I get everyday is temperamental customers (notice I use the word customer, NOT student) who don't speak English well enough to talk on the radio and get mad at me for putting my fingers at the control.
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I feel sorry for your students, it sounds like they receive a huge disservice from you. You can send them to me if you like, I could use the work.
 
Patrick said:
I'll second that (and I've dealt with PLENTY of foreign students).
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It's fine that you see them as students, but the flight schools that hired you see them as customers. I don't get why you find it offensive if I call them "customer", they ARE the customer, they are paying, arn't they? Afterall, these "students" of your are the ones paying your rent, your cellphone bills...etc
 
jowong1 said:
It's fine that you see them as students, but the flight schools that hired you see them as customers. I don't get why you find it offensive if I call them "customer", they ARE the customer, they are paying, arn't they? Afterall, these "students" of your are the ones paying your rent, your cellphone bills...etc
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They aren't taking issue with you calling them a customer... they are taking issue with this:

Why is it that everyone says CFI is the "best move" they ever made and that they learn a lot, blah blah blah.....I m a CFI as well, but I dont think I know more now than I did when I was a newly minted commercial...All I get everyday is temperamental customers (notice I use the word customer, NOT student) who don't speak English well enough to talk on the radio and get mad at me for putting my fingers at the control.
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And the lack of respect you have for CFI-ing and your paying customers.
 
Ian J said:
They aren't taking issue with you calling them a customer... they are taking issue with this:



And the lack of respect you have for CFI-ing and your paying customers.
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And why exactly to they take issue with the fact that "I don't think I know more now....." And how is it that I dont have respect for my CFI-ing and my paying customers? I think they are difficult customers, but that doesn't mean I don't have respect for them.
 
jowong1 said:
It's fine that you see them as students, but the flight schools that hired you see them as customers. I don't get why you find it offensive if I call them "customer", they ARE the customer, they are paying, arn't they? Afterall, these "students" of your are the ones paying your rent, your cellphone bills...etc
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No sir, the flight school that hired me sees our students as STUDENTS. We care about the quality of training they receive and the quality of pilots we produce more than the money they spend, which is why we stay in business. Yes, I said "business", because you're right, they are paying customers too, but they are not buying aluminum siding from us, they are paying for flight training. If all you see your students as is customers you can bill, I urge you to resign and get a job where your attitude doesn't have a significant effect on another persons livelihood.
 
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