NJA_Capt
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The middle class is too busy buying things it can't afford and racking up credit card debt it can't pay off.But don't worry, the middle class isn't being destroyed...
The middle class is too busy buying things it can't afford and racking up credit card debt it can't pay off.But don't worry, the middle class isn't being destroyed...
Oh yes, as an airline pilot I do my best, as often as I can, to belittle and intimidate my passengers. After all, they're just simple people and deserve to be reminded of their proper place, right?
Don't you understand that one issue is in regards to basic human nature and the other is about a taxed operational system?
Sheesh.
NJACapt said:The middle class is too busy buying things it can't afford and racking up credit card debt it can't pay off.
Who's selling them the things they can't afford? ... I'm hijacking your thread with my right-wing wackiness.
Of course there are enormous differences in cost when using NetJets vs. an airline. But there are some instances recently that I can think of where I am just baffled at how horrendous the treatment of passengers is sometimes. Just today I stood at the podium at one of the DC airports and two passengers came up to the gate agent; they were going to fly to the international hub in the northeast and go on to India in business class for a four-day business trip. They probably shelled out about $10,000 for airfare and they are now missing 25% of their time in Mumbai due to the northeast USA's constant groundstop nonsense.
The airlines are sending their high-end passengers to NetJets (the ones who can afford it that is).
Believe it or not, it is very significant. UAL admitted it themselves in a press release in 2000 when the announced their ill fated attempt at starting Avolar (UAL's business jet division). NetJets alone flies 390,000 flights/year and in terms of number of aircraft is the second largest airline in the world. I'd say that is a pretty big dent in the major's FC seating.The airlines might send A passenger to NetJets, but I assure the number of people flocking to NetJets from the airlines is a very very small percentage. I bet its so small its statistically insignificant.
Netjets needs the Challenger 300!
Ground stops are hated by everyone. But unfortunately its something we all have to deal with. If you're flying in the NE, you almost have to expect it as a passenger. I bet the regulars do. How is a ground stop the fault of the airline? How is it considered "horrendous treatment of passengers?" it sucks, but what can the airlines do? Its completely out of there control.
The airlines might send A passenger to netjets, but I assure the number of people flocking to NetJets from the airlines is a very very small percentage. I bet its so small its statistically insignificant.
Riiiight. NetJets getting a Bombardier airplane. Wonder what Flexjet would think about that?
I'd argue that traditional american conservative values were very much in favor of a vibrant, powerful, and well-educated middle class (read Jefferson or De Tocqueville). But again, we should probably start a new "class warfare" thread to discuss it.
FWIW, I'm very glad to hear that NetJets is continuing to succeed, as it's a company run (for all intents and purposes) by a very rich guy who treats his employees well, offers them a middle-class exsistence, and essentially sees them as assets rather than liabilities on a balance sheet (near as I can tell). I'm afraid that in this day and age, Mr. Buffet is the exception rather than the rule. Sorry to pee on the flowers, signing off this thread.
Riiiight. NetJets getting a Bombardier airplane. Wonder what Flexjet would think about that?
Falcon, it seems that you yourself are confused. Boris wasn't talking about rich people that fly NJA, he was talking about the rich guy that OWNS NJA.I'd hate to break it to ya, but you seem kinda confused. NetJets (or companies of the like) have nothing directly to do with "rich people". Nor do the airlines have anything directly to do with "poor people". ".
Not sure what you are trying to imply with this statement.There's a reason they call it "Fractionals".
that stuff aint cheap :laff:Falcon, it seems that you yourself are confused. Boris wasn't talking about rich people that fly NJA, he was talking about the rich guy that OWNS NJA.
NetJets has everything to do with rich passengers and airlines the not-so-rich. NJA doesn't offer $99 fares and airlines don't sell $25,000 tickets. I won't discuss our passenger demographics, but your analogy has a few holes.
Not sure what you are trying to imply with this statement.
that stuff aint cheap :laff:
"NetJets fractional interests start at $416,625 (price based on 2008 deliveries and subject to change) for a 1/16 interest (the equivalent of 50 hours of annual flying time) in a Hawker 400XP. Prices vary depending on the aircraft type you choose. Finance, lease and pre-owned alternatives are also available"
and you will have to buy in for minimum of 2 years
Falcon, it seems that you yourself are confused. Boris wasn't talking about rich people that fly NJA, he was talking about the rich guy that OWNS NJA.
NetJets has everything to do with rich passengers and airlines the not-so-rich. NJA doesn't offer $99 fares and airlines don't sell $25,000 tickets. I won't discuss our passenger demographics, but your analogy has a few holes.
Not sure what you are trying to imply with this statement.
That price is not bad. It comes to $8,300 hour.