NDB entry?

Even if our Cirri had ADF equipment on board, we couldn't use NDB approaches anyway per ops spec.

They'll all be gone soon enough I suppose.
 
Cal Goat said:
Yep. But they didn't even train us to fly NDB approaches in the sim when I went through which was odd because I ended up flying into Yreka/Siskyou many times and that occasionally required flying an NDB/GPS approach http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1308/00882NGA.PDF (also funny because we were required to have a GPS approach sign off before we could fly said approach, but nobody ever bothered to finish my training for that). Fortunately, I never had to use that approach to get into either airport.

Interestingly, it appears the Montague NDB is still in commission. I'm actually quite shocked to see that.
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I did the NDB into WJF in the torture box in BUR. Never trained one online though. Flew the NDB-A many times into LGD. It's an overlay, but not many airplanes had a gps.

Inverted said:
AMF202 was not for the faint hearted in the winter, I almost miss it lol. Too bad the current company doesn't allow NDB approaches per OpSpecs.

It was working as of a couple months ago. We picked up Steven Seagal in KSIY and the NDB was working like a champ, it was VFR though.
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We've got the op spec for it but we don't have a single airplane with an ADF installed.
 
Given the affordability of reliable and accurate GPS equipment, using an NDB for serious IFR navigation borders on reckless. Yeah, I know they're still hugely popular outside of the US, but again, GPS is so incredibly affordable for what we ask it to do in terms of aerial navigation.
 
Cal Goat said:
Given the affordability of reliable and accurate GPS equipment, using an NDB for serious IFR navigation borders on reckless. Yeah, I know they're still hugely popular outside of the US, but again, GPS is so incredibly affordable for what we ask it to do in terms of aerial navigation.
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I agree. A bunch of AMF's accidents would have been avoided with it. I'd bet the cost to outfit the entire fleet would be cheaper than 1 accident.
 
z987k said:
I did the NDB into WJF in the torture box in BUR. Never trained one online though. Flew the NDB-A many times into LGD. It's an overlay, but not many airplanes had a gps.
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I recall being very concerned about flying that approach in the sim, but it never came up. WIN!

We've got the op spec for it but we don't have a single airplane with an ADF installed.
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Am I mistaken or were very few or none of the Chieftains ADF-equipped? Inverted, do you recall? I know most or all of the Hos had ADF, but when we downsized the fleet to all Chieftains, I feel like the ADFs were non-existent. Also, I wasn't even paying attention because I never flew NDB approaches and I had my ipod for music.
 
z987k said:
I agree. A bunch of AMF's accidents would have been avoided with it. I'd bet the cost to outfit the entire fleet would be cheaper than 1 accident.
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Yes, but then the cowboys couldn't derp about how they don't need no stinkin' GPS!
 
Inverted said:
I did the NDB into WJF and POM in the sim, just to hear The Bob get his jollies off lol.
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I did my interview with bob, and we did the NDB into POM. I thought that was incredibly odd at the time.

On the NDB-C into WJF, you'll notice the feeder route from the PMD VOR is the same as the outbound/inbound bearing from the GWF NDB. Just make sure you have 115 set into the CDI/HSI and you can't possibly mess it up.
 
Cal Goat said:
Am I mistaken or were very few or none of the Chieftains ADF-equipped? Inverted, do you recall? I know most or all of the Hos had ADF, but when we downsized the fleet to all Chieftains, I feel like the ADFs were non-existent. Also, I wasn't even paying attention because I never flew NDB approaches and I had my ipod for music.
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Boy I cannot remember, but I want to say they were. Although the only times I remember actually doing the NDB approach was in a Jo.
 
Cal Goat said:
I recall being very concerned about flying that approach in the sim, but it never came up. WIN!




Am I mistaken or were very few or none of the Chieftains ADF-equipped? Inverted, do you recall? I know most or all of the Hos had ADF, but when we downsized the fleet to all Chieftains, I feel like the ADFs were non-existent. Also, I wasn't even paying attention because I never flew NDB approaches and I had my ipod for music.
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IIRC, all the Chieftan's with GPS had the ADF taken out. That was the downside of having a GPS airplane. No NPR that day. When I was at pdx I think about a third of the pa31's had GPS, and we only had 1 jo, the rest were 350's.
 
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