Navy blasphemy

Well, I flew both ONW and OSW, and participated in "Shock and Awe" in March/April 2003.

What took place in March '03 looked NOTHING like ONW and OSW. So far as I'm concerned, the real war *did* start then -- I hesitate to call any sorties I flew in OSW/ONW as "combat missions" compared to what took place in 2003.

I cleaned off the jet of ordnance every day for nearly three weeks straight, faced an order of magnitude more AAA (both aimed and barrage), and had to out-maneuver guided launches from SA-2s, SA-3s, SA-6s, and Roland -- none of which had really been seen regularly during the 10 years prior patrolling the NFZs.
 
Hacker15e said:
What took place in March '03 looked NOTHING like ONW and OSW. So far as I'm concerned, the real war *did* start then -- I hesitate to call any sorties I flew in OSW/ONW as "combat missions" compared to what took place in 2003.
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Nah you are just use to being the hammer not the nail. A lot of iraqis got killed in OSW ONW.
It's all relative I guess. I am guessing there are a lot of guys that flew B-17s in WWII that could call that as safe as sitting in a predator booth and not combat.
May make you nervous but really, how many fighter jocks got shot down??

In my old world, our crew working alone, unarmed and (un?)afraid I never liked it when a Mig showed up our wing, nor did I like flying around Bosnia before and after Ogrady got hit without ejection seats, nor countermeasures. Of the four NATO planes that shot down , the only one where any one died was the unarmed turboprop (Italian CASA 212). The serbs knew who we were and could have taken us out easy. They knew there would be consequences. IE the hammer.

Just please, tone down the tough guy talk a little.
 
granlistillo said:
Nah you are just use to being the hammer not the nail. A lot of iraqis got killed in OSW ONW.
It's all relative I guess. I am guessing there are a lot of guys that flew B-17s in WWII that could call that as safe as sitting in a predator booth and not combat.
May make you nervous but really, how many fighter jocks got shot down??
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I would imagine getting shot at, regardless of being hit, makes one nervous. I see nothing wrong with his reasoning.

granlistillo said:
Just please, tone down the tough guy talk a little.
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One thing I don't think I've ever seen is tough guy talk from Hacker and I don't see now either :dunno:
 
granlistillo said:
Negative shipmate that would be the EP-3E ARIES II:D:D:D:D

Just a minor point, but you know I had to make it. A slick would have prolly, made it back to base after its kill. Only the mighty Orion can a version be made so overloaded and with have a drag form so high and fly... Let alone act as a fighter blender.:D:beer:
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They are all Orion's to me. Who names an airplane after the weapon system? And I don't tell folks I fly the "aerostar" :(
 
If we ever face a resurgent Russian ASM Bomber fleet we could use the P-3 as a gigantic AIM-54 Shooter:pirate: (or an AMRAAM variant with a longer range)That would make you a fighter pilot.
 
Hacker15e said:
Well, I flew both ONW and OSW, and participated in "Shock and Awe" in March/April 2003.

What took place in March '03 looked NOTHING like ONW and OSW. So far as I'm concerned, the real war *did* start then -- I hesitate to call any sorties I flew in OSW/ONW as "combat missions" compared to what took place in 2003.

I cleaned off the jet of ordnance every day for nearly three weeks straight, faced an order of magnitude more AAA (both aimed and barrage), and had to out-maneuver guided launches from SA-2s, SA-3s, SA-6s, and Roland -- none of which had really been seen regularly during the 10 years prior patrolling the NFZs.
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That's balls out, man. Hats off to you for that. :rawk:
 
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