National Airlines B747-400 Freighter (BCF) Down in Bagram, Afghanistan

Terrible.....sorry to hear about this. If as described, it reminds me of this horrifying clip that we were all shown in flight school....(same scenario, probably exacerbated by the catapult)



This is exactly the video that came to mind as I read about this load shift earlier.

What I was taught in USAF maintenance school was that in the C-2 was an aircraft engine in the cargo hold that broke loose on the cat shot.
 
This stuff seems to come up after an incident/accident. If people feel strongly enough to walk away, they should speak up.

Yep, as was said, that quote was from USAF people who were involved in loading and unloading cargo at deployed locations downrange. They have no authority to 'report' it to anyone except in their own military chain, who could probably measure their care in micro give-a-craps.

Given all of the shady operators that haul in and out of Bagram (especially before FedEx and Atlas could get insured to fly in to there), I'm sure the AF loaders have seen every possible shade of good and bad operations there.
 
Without presuming to comment on the cause of this crash, I do remember that one of the only good things UPS did in training waaaaaay back when I loaded at SDF was impress upon us rather severely that every. single. lock. must go up on the cans. Every time. Full airplane or not. Rushed or not. Burning meteors falling out of the sky or not. Didn't fully understand the significance until my happy ass was sitting in a freighter where there was no way to tell how well the cargo that wasn't in the front or the back had been secured. Cargo shift is right up there with airframe failure and in-flight fire on my nightmare list.

Terribly sorry for the crew and those affected by their loss. :(
 
This is exactly the video that came to mind as I read about this load shift earlier.

What I was taught in USAF maintenance school was that in the C-2 was an aircraft engine in the cargo hold that broke loose on the cat shot.

Yessir, that was the story I heard as well......to include the part where the cargo crushed the loadmaster guys in the back to death on the cat shot, followed by crushing the pilots up front to death as they swapped ends and plummeted towards the water. Either way, they all died a horrible and needless death.

Not to threadjack too much, but I will admit that I'm afraid of the COD. It is cool that it can take you from the boat to home, but cat shots in the COD are probably about the scariest thing I have done. The power comes up and it sounds like the whole thing is about to fall apart, including the engines (picture a dash-8 that is 100 years old and running at like 120% power), fog starts coming up from the floor, the lights are from like 1952 making the whole scene look like a nightmare. And you are in a tube which, in spite of the pre-launch briefing, is absolutely going to be your casket if anything goes wrong. A friend of mine watched a COD come within a couple feet of plunging into the water following a soft cat, and I have no doubt that everyone on board would have been killed, maybe with the exception of the pilots if they were quick enough to get through the overhead hatches. They walked away with air medals for it, and rightly so, but the thing is a death trap in my mind. I'm more comfortable with traps in the thing, as it has at least already proven that it is capable of flight for the previous couple hours, but there is just too much that can go wrong on a cat shot to make me breath easy. I rode one home last week, and one of my sailors who was sitting next to me couldn't believe that I was nervous.
 
Yessir, that was the story I heard as well......to include the part where the cargo crushed the loadmaster guys in the back to death on the cat shot, followed by crushing the pilots up front to death as they swapped ends and plummeted towards the water. Either way, they all died a horrible and needless death.

Yep, same report I saw. Gruesome.
 
May the crew RIP. Loadshifts are one thing that scares me really bad. I have seen pictures of pipe that broke loose in a 747 and went out the back. Crazy stuff.
 
May the crew RIP. Loadshifts are one thing that scares me really bad. I have seen pictures of pipe that broke loose in a 747 and went out the back. Crazy stuff.
The guy who trained me for in the cargo warehouse used to work as a loadmaster in Egypt and told me a story about some cargo airline that had a pipe impale the cockpit and kill one or both of the pilots during an emergency decent leading to a crash, and that afterwards carriers started not allowing pipes to be loaded in front of the pallets. He didn't recall the carrier and I can't find anything about it with a Google search, but it sounded pretty scary.
 
Yessir, that was the story I heard as well......to include the part where the cargo crushed the loadmaster guys in the back to death on the cat shot, followed by crushing the pilots up front to death as they swapped ends and plummeted towards the water. Either way, they all died a horrible and needless death.

Not to threadjack too much, but I will admit that I'm afraid of the COD. It is cool that it can take you from the boat to home, but cat shots in the COD are probably about the scariest thing I have done. The power comes up and it sounds like the whole thing is about to fall apart, including the engines (picture a dash-8 that is 100 years old and running at like 120% power), fog starts coming up from the floor, the lights are from like 1952 making the whole scene look like a nightmare. And you are in a tube which, in spite of the pre-launch briefing, is absolutely going to be your casket if anything goes wrong. A friend of mine watched a COD come within a couple feet of plunging into the water following a soft cat, and I have no doubt that everyone on board would have been killed, maybe with the exception of the pilots if they were quick enough to get through the overhead hatches. They walked away with air medals for it, and rightly so, but the thing is a death trap in my mind. I'm more comfortable with traps in the thing, as it has at least already proven that it is capable of flight for the previous couple hours, but there is just too much that can go wrong on a cat shot to make me breath easy. I rode one home last week, and one of my sailors who was sitting next to me couldn't believe that I was nervous.

Imagine how the ECMO's in the whale felt on the cat or when the a/c was doing the whale dance on landing. Hence the name All 3 Dead.
 
Theres a dash cam video on Liveleak. Scary, looks just like the navy video posted. Wish I didn't watch it :( RIP to the crew.
 
There is now a video posted on liveleak.com showing the crash from a dashcam at Bagram. Watch at your own risk, it's hard to stomach. It looks very much like the C-2 video.

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Video of the accident. I caution it's not for everybody, but it does provide good visual evidence to posts that have previously described the accident. Scary thing. RIP.
 
Without presuming to comment on the cause of this crash, I do remember that one of the only good things UPS did in training waaaaaay back when I loaded at SDF was impress upon us rather severely that every. single. lock. must go up on the cans. Every time. Full airplane or not. Rushed or not. Burning meteors falling out of the sky or not. Didn't fully understand the significance until my happy ass was sitting in a freighter where there was no way to tell how well the cargo that wasn't in the front or the back had been secured. Cargo shift is right up there with airframe failure and in-flight fire on my nightmare list.

Terribly sorry for the crew and those affected by their loss. :(

This.

I had a load shift (minor thank god) in a 207 that I got lucky on about 5 years ago or so, wised my ass up quick - strap your stuff down! I know a guy who had a pretty serious load shift in a Beech 18 that survived but just by the skin of his teeth - be damned careful about how you load your cargo!
 
Not to mention how scary it must have been for the driver of that truck - having no way of knowing where that thing was going down.
 
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