akuani
New Member
I agree - if you feel strongly enough to say something is wrong - then step up and call it out right?
Why talk about it after a tragedy?
National Airlines B747-400 Freighter (BCF) Down in Bagram, Afghanistan
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I agree - if you feel strongly enough to say something is wrong - then step up and call it out right?
Why talk about it after a tragedy?
SacFly
Active Member
The comment referred to some blue suiters that supposedly walked away. Those mil guys probably had no avenue to squawk other than to run it up their chain of command. Unfortunately, the urgency of the message diminishes rapidly the further it gets from the sender. Whether they threw the BS flag or not likely would not have mattered.
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
After the second one, I actually decided to get rid of my macho attitude and wait for the thunderstorm to pass.
Perhaps some people just don't have words to say after a tragedy like this and it seems right at the time.
Dugie8
Well-Known Member
Fear for your job. Despite all we gave in safety awareness and tools, folks that do firing and hiring do not want to hear about things that may cause incidents/accidents.
Borris sums it up nicely with "MYOFB"
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Always a good reminder, especially when presented alongside the consequences for when you don't.
Not saying this crew didn't. Just saying the outcome is the same.
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
Wow! As mentioned second one in a week. Thoughts and prayers to those family/friends involved. RIP.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Purely coincidence between the two.
A Life Aloft
Well-Known Member
Very very sad business. RIP and condolences to their families. Just so unfortunate. Sigh...I just hate these sort of events.
Here is an article that reportedly has some "eye witness" accounts as comments to the article. No idea of the credibility of said witnesses obviously.
http://theloadstar.co.uk/breaking-news-national-air-cargo-crash-at-bagram/
Also an account from A PPRuNe member who works there and who does have credibility:
"The accident was witnessed by a number of us on the ground. The National Air Cargo 747-400 took off and as is fairly usual with these crews entered a steeper than 'normal' climb.. this is often done here and referred to as a tactical departure.. we perform them so as to avoid close proximity to any ground based insurgents.. The pitch angle of the a/c was seen to increase beyond even what we normally witness until it could only be described as extreme.. the left wing was then seen to dip slightly before the role was countered followed by a role to the right causing the right wing to drop. The a/c appeared to be fully stalled with a wing drop at between 1000 and 1200 feet agl. The a/c then descended with the nose dropping and right wing low as it disappeared from view at a very low altitude. It's unlikely that the nose had any significant pitch down attitude at the time of impact. The a/c crashed within the confines of the airfield close to holding point Alfa.
The above is accurate and witnessed by most of our people on the ramp so can be easily verified. There was no insurgent activity and although the weather here is currently unstable with considerable thunderstorm activity the weather was not a factor in the accident. At the time of the crash there was no verticle activity close to the airport and the wind was moderate and steady.. we had landed shortly before with the wind at 090/14. (R03)
We have heard from airport sources that there were 8 people on board made up of the flight crew and load-masters.. I can't confirm this.. It has also been reported that a communication from the flightcrew shortly after take-off stated that they were having control problems. I can't confirm this either but it does seem possible.
The appearance of the flight profile did suggest that either a miscaculation had been made regarding the loading CofG/Weight or that part of the cargo had shifted during rotation. I'm stating this only to help describe the sequence of events as seen from the ground and not speculating."
Very upsetting news.
Here is an article that reportedly has some "eye witness" accounts as comments to the article. No idea of the credibility of said witnesses obviously.
http://theloadstar.co.uk/breaking-news-national-air-cargo-crash-at-bagram/
Also an account from A PPRuNe member who works there and who does have credibility:
"The accident was witnessed by a number of us on the ground. The National Air Cargo 747-400 took off and as is fairly usual with these crews entered a steeper than 'normal' climb.. this is often done here and referred to as a tactical departure.. we perform them so as to avoid close proximity to any ground based insurgents.. The pitch angle of the a/c was seen to increase beyond even what we normally witness until it could only be described as extreme.. the left wing was then seen to dip slightly before the role was countered followed by a role to the right causing the right wing to drop. The a/c appeared to be fully stalled with a wing drop at between 1000 and 1200 feet agl. The a/c then descended with the nose dropping and right wing low as it disappeared from view at a very low altitude. It's unlikely that the nose had any significant pitch down attitude at the time of impact. The a/c crashed within the confines of the airfield close to holding point Alfa.
The above is accurate and witnessed by most of our people on the ramp so can be easily verified. There was no insurgent activity and although the weather here is currently unstable with considerable thunderstorm activity the weather was not a factor in the accident. At the time of the crash there was no verticle activity close to the airport and the wind was moderate and steady.. we had landed shortly before with the wind at 090/14. (R03)
We have heard from airport sources that there were 8 people on board made up of the flight crew and load-masters.. I can't confirm this.. It has also been reported that a communication from the flightcrew shortly after take-off stated that they were having control problems. I can't confirm this either but it does seem possible.
The appearance of the flight profile did suggest that either a miscaculation had been made regarding the loading CofG/Weight or that part of the cargo had shifted during rotation. I'm stating this only to help describe the sequence of events as seen from the ground and not speculating."
Very upsetting news.
Pilotforhire587
Lycra Man
RIP
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Damned shame.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
"Unbuckle harness and lean forward" is a commonly taught emergency glider scenario if water in the empennage is suspected