NASCAR driver and family in plane crash

Kingairer said:
Agreed! I wonder what the "some things" are. The baggage door theory may fit into that category.
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Not sure how much I’d read into that until the CVR transcript comes out. Sounds like he’s stumbling and mumbling through the external comms, either from stress, inexperience, task saturation, confusion at the situation or loss of SA, or a combination of any or all.
 
MikeD said:
Not sure how much I’d read into that until the CVR transcript comes out. Sounds like he’s stumbling and mumbling through the external comms, either from stress, inexperience, task saturation, confusion at the situation or loss of SA, or a combination of any or all.
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It sounds like youth and inexperience. Has it been confirmed if his son was commercial rated?
 
Wardogg said:
It sounds like youth and inexperience. Has it been confirmed if his son was commercial rated?
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I’ve not yet heard. It may have, I just haven’t heard one way or another yet. But definitely a youth with I only imagine not a ton of experience. And how a situation like this can become overwhelming quickly for him, or anyone with relatively low experience (or even experienced), is understandable.

Kind of like experiencing your first real emergency in your career. No matter how many times you’ve practiced in the sim or on tabletop, it’s still going to be a stressor, because it’s the real thing. With real consequences.
 
Wardogg said:
It sounds like youth and inexperience. Has it been confirmed if his son was commercial rated?
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Doesn't look like it. His PPL was issued less than a month before the crash.

Agreed! I wonder what the "some things" are. The baggage door theory may fit into that category.
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Could be, it sounded like he didn't want to admit was wrong on the radio with the "things" comment, which would sort of make sense for a baggage door.
 
MikeD said:
Kind of like experiencing your first real emergency in your career. No matter how many times you’ve practiced in the sim or on tabletop, it’s still going to be a stressor, because it’s the real thing. With real consequences.
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If there’s not smoke in the cockpit or confirmed fire, the response to my fear is going to be fly straight ahead and gain altitude … primarily so I can get my mental • together. If you can recapture your mental faculties it’s back to piloting 101. Gimme a 50 mile approach while you’re at it.

In single or twin recips, I think my brain is hard-wired not to believe I can make the field unless I have a generous amount of altitude. While I buckle at the mythology of the impossible turn, I know it’s usually a bad idea unless it is the best option for an off-field landing.

Beyond that, i trust the folks that crunched the numbers and did the math so I don’t have to.

This accident is a head-scratcher. We are all wondering the same thing, is this a botched engine-out emergency complicated by a bit of unexpected IMC or something else.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
A lot of you guys are hung up on the ex airline pilot part but forgetting the only reason why a ton of retired guys are still alive is because of 121.

Take all the safety nets away and the crazy wild pilots get to be crazy and wild in the 91 world and bam.

91 gigs like this have zero written FOM, or anything that could be called a manual. Literally nothing on paper.

And just wait until you find out the mx history of a 1980’s jet that was on its last owner until the scrap yard.
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Welp, I hate to say it called it but I called it.

Non rated son in the right seat. Took off without the generators on after a failed battery start.

Fly vfr into IFR, lost avionics, got the field, got them back on, and flew a good airplane into the ground at that point.

NTSB link

 
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